Blogging Bayport Alameda

May 27, 2022


Filed under: Alameda — Lauren Do @ 6:07 am

For those that are following along on Twitter you would have seen a bunch of videos I posted from the Bay Farm NIMBY meeting extravaganza. A very kind person video taped the event, a no small feat since apparently it was super hot and phone and things kept overheating. For those that want a succinct description of the event: loud and wrong.

These videos are all out of order but it really doesn’t matter because it’s a jumble of people who have not been paying attention super concerned that the City hasn’t done all these things that have now popped into their head because it’s everyone else who is too stupid to figure out these common sense things that they instinctively know. I’ll cut right to the videos in the order that I uploaded them.

This lady was able to recognize that affirmatively furthering fair housing was a thing but that, eventually, because market rate housing is being built on the West End that it would become a high opportunity site. What it sounds like she wanted to do was promise the State that Alameda Point would eventually become a high opportunity site and maybe they can just trust us and let us still stick all of our housing allocation there.

This is long suffering Andrew Thomas answering a question about what is in the Housing Element for Bay Farm and he answers the shopping center and then whatever ADUs people decide they want to build. Remember that ADUs are one of the AFFH strategies in addition to meeting RHNA units. The audience collectively scoffs at this notion of ADUs in their backyards which means that this video should probably be appended to a letter to HCD so that they can understand that a whole neighborhood is probably never going to do the ADU thing so Alameda should probably have better supporting evidence as to why they can project however many ADU units they are current projecting:

It’s around this part of the meeting where I start to get really quite annoyed. As Andrew Thomas is explaining that his role as a City staff person is to recommend the City Council remain in compliance with the state to not have all the bad things happen someone presses him on transportation options (complete with complaining that he cannot get off of Bay Farm during morning commute/school drop off which really sounds like a poor timing on his part problem) and Andrew Thomas says the solution to congestion is public transportation nearly the entire crowd begins relentless heckling.

And this is the final one for today, the lady who asked if new residents of new construction were being asked to pay Mello Roos. Of course we don’t call it Mello Roos now, we call it Community Facilities District which she would know if she paid it or knew anyone who lived in new construction or had any interest in this topic before she attempted to kitchen sink an argument as to why Bay Farm shouldn’t have to site any more housing.

When someone scoffed at the pronouncement from Andrew Thomas that West End residents paid more in property taxes through assessments he said that he would be them $10 it was true. Reader, she did not take that bet. I did snapshot three property tax bills here (just the special assessment portions).

The first and smallest one is from Bay Farm.

This one is from Bayport with the very large “Bayport CFD 03-1” assessment which is not found on the Bay Farm bill but pays for all the things that Bay Farm residents get, essentially, for the low, low price of their normal property tax.

And finally one from Alameda Landing which is a staggering $5K more than Bayport’s bill because there are two CFDs: CFD 13 -1 and CFD 13-2 MSD.

Of course this is on top of the already higher property taxes paid depending on when and how much the unit was purchased for. While some newer Bay Farm properties may have higher base tax rates, have you seen some of the recent sold prices on Bay Farm? And while folks like Trish Spencer keep complaining about the high prices of the new market rate homes on the West End, they looks like a positive bargain compared to these numbers.

And not to not address the infrastructure question but when the City has tried in the past to pass infrastructure bonds there has been lackluster support from the community who is screaming that we need it. At the last budget meeting neither Tony Daysog nor Trish Spencer were willing to support these efforts either. So if Bay Farm need sea walls they’re going to be SOL unless the get a friendly developer to build them as a concession for new construction.


  1. Funny how the backdrop to this meeting is the vast golf course…what a waste of land use. Given the location, it should be turned into housing. It’s not like there aren’t plenty of other golf courses nearby. Also, the video is a bit fuzzy but am I correct to assume most attendees were Silent Generation & Boomers? Makes sense, as they have the most time on their hands to attend meetings like this. It would be a mistake to let their voices drown out everyone else’s…though, that is what they seem to think they are entitled to.

    Comment by Kristen — May 27, 2022 @ 9:14 am

  2. I don’t think Andrew gets paid enough. !!!

    Comment by John P. — May 27, 2022 @ 9:23 am

    • Not at all … he is great

      Comment by Ron Mooney — May 27, 2022 @ 2:11 pm

  3. “So if Bay Farm need sea walls they’re going to be SOL unless the get a friendly developer to build them as a concession for new construction.”


    For the life of me, I don’t know why anyone would WANT to live on Bay Farm. The constant noise from the planes would drive me insane.

    I wonder how many people from the Maitland area showed up? I’m guessing not many. This reeks more of the “I got up the ladder, let me pull it up behind me.”

    And if you were living across the street from the HBC, wouldn’t you rather have homeowners living across from you rather than the traffic and noise of the HBC? Or have Harbor Bay residents become as deaf as their hearts have become hard?

    Comment by Sleepy+Moe — May 27, 2022 @ 9:33 am

  4. That’s a very good point. Doesn’t HBC have something like 10,000 members? Why doesn’t that generate traffic but housing does? I’d think a large gym with members cycling in and out every hour or so generate far more traffic.

    Comment by JRB — May 27, 2022 @ 10:19 am

    • You should see the school drop off traffic. It takes a full 10-15 minutes to drop-off, turn around at HBC and get back out to Island. No way anyone can honestly think housing will make traffic worse. They could (and probably should) build a road to connect out to Veteran’s Court too. It would allow another way in, if not out, because of the way it is configured at Island/Doolittle

      Comment by bjsvec — May 27, 2022 @ 10:51 am

  5. Ah yes, the voice of the middle class currently getting crushed by the engineered inflation, interest rate explosion, and one of the highest tax rates in the nation. I don’t think they’ll go any quieter than the Kulaks, the wealthier Russian farmers who Stalin eliminated. How dare they suggest their unhappiness about more housing, more traffic, more crime, more taxation, high density low income dwellings, and its effect on property values and quality of life. How silly they sound when they use the exact same talking point used by environmentalists to support green arguments- the rising sea levels. How dare they oppose Big Government imposing its will on them. Don’t they know the real meaning of equity?

    Comment by Good Swimmer — May 27, 2022 @ 11:07 am

    • Affordable housing developments don’t lower property values or quality of life even though your gut may tell you that it is, like Bay Farm NIMBYs, loud and wrong.

      Comment by Lauren Do — May 27, 2022 @ 11:10 am

    • Denise Lai, so many bizarre contradictions in your rambling statement. Point to me a single nation on earth that promotes equity without providing more housing and low income dwellings, and without “big government.” Yes, please tell us where is this mythical libertarian paradise that is crime-free, tax-free, free of both environmentalists and environmental problems, and somehow has the right amount of housing that isn’t too much to be burdensome or too little to cause homelessness.

      Comment by Mediocre Swimmer But Not Uninformed — May 27, 2022 @ 12:34 pm

    • Hey Denise, you seem to be rambling incoherently. Have you tried eating a bag of dicks? Might help. Might not. Either way, you totally should.

      Comment by Rod — May 27, 2022 @ 3:46 pm

      • Hey Lauren I’ve read your blog for years. Do Rod’s comments add to the discussion and would you be happy if child 1 or child 2 were acting like this on your blog? I’d like to give you the benefit of doubt and say no. This is why we have the issues we do now. I’m using my name so you don’t have to leak it to your cronies. And for the record if good swimmer is Denise lai she is not someone I would want to associate with but she’s entitled to her opinion regardless.

        Comment by Joe McNiff — May 27, 2022 @ 6:14 pm

        • First: kinda gross for you to try to emotionally manipulate me by bringing up my kids. Second: you don’t want to give me the benefit of the doubt because you have already accused me of “leak[ing]” people’s information to my “cronies.”

          If I were a more petty person I’d make a long, in depth comment about your investigation skills but I’ll just leave it at I don’t know who everyone is who posts under anonymous accounts and I don’t share any information about who people are to anyone nor do I share people’s information with anyone unless I get their permission first because they want to be connected.

          Comment by Lauren Do — May 28, 2022 @ 7:09 am

        • So you want Lauren to censor the comments?
          Don’t all the ‘interesting people’ want wacko Musk to buy Twitter to restore ‘their free speech rights’ ?

          While Rod’s comments stop me from reading them further I don’t see them needing to get censored.

          I’d say the reason we have the issues we do now is: a) The right’s “stop everything” agenda – don’t even discuss / negotiate b) The make up crap and call it facts … long long list starting the ‘alternative facts’ parade at least as early as 2017 with the ‘largest crowd ever’ … continuing all along with the December 2020 lies of voter fraud … and even this week with police saying they immediately went in and took out the shooter.

          When no one can even be civil enough to accept the truth, why do you expect civil discourse?
          The one yelling and giving out misinformation at the forum on the housing element add to the crap. Take just a little bit of time to investigate and stop assuming you know everything.

          BTW – I hope high school students read these blog postings! Shocked if they do, but they would be getting some interesting facts and views, that is for sure

          Comment by Ron Mooney — May 28, 2022 @ 8:33 am

        • Hi Joe, you know, there are plenty of people who enjoy engaging with many of the awful people with their lame opinions on this blog. I think that’s kind of a waste of time. Nobody’s going to change anyone’s minds in blog comments. Instead, I rudely tell them to fuck off. It’s a dirty job, but someone’s gotta do it. I mean, what do you expect from somebody using a phallic symbol as their username?

          Comment by Rod — May 31, 2022 @ 6:34 am

        • Ron, we have different styles, but I totally enjoy your comments!

          Comment by Rod — May 31, 2022 @ 6:37 am

  6. Saw Tony at WesCafe yesterday and gave him an earful about that meeting. I saw the video and was appalled at the way Andrew was treated. I told him that civility was needed and he should tell his people they were out of line. I’m afraid I was quite schoolmarmish but he and Ms. Trish need to know that their followers are behaving like ignorant brutes. As a long time civil servant, my heart goes out to Andrew. He is a hard working, smart and dedicated worker and totally undeserving of this treatment.

    Comment by Kate Quick — May 28, 2022 @ 9:43 am

  7. You accost someone during their meal because “civility is needed.”

    Comment by Look in the mirror — May 29, 2022 @ 10:24 am

    • Of course not. He was standing near us waiting to pick up his takeout order.

      Comment by Kate Quick — May 29, 2022 @ 8:49 pm

    • I’ll add that i have known Tony since he was in grammar school. I did not accost him. He greeted me first, then we talked.

      Comment by Kate Quick — May 29, 2022 @ 8:52 pm

  8. If the first speaker is so convinced the former military base will become a high opportunity area safe from rising sea levels, why doesn’t she move there now?

    Comment by Larry Witte — May 29, 2022 @ 3:29 pm

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