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December 14, 2017

National Horror Story: it was *this* close

Filed under: Alameda — Lauren Do @ 6:04 am

Do better next time men.

Particularly you, white men.

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And holy hell, from the liberal bastion of USA Today (aka the paper that is automatically delivered at any midlevel business hotel you stay) comes this editorial:

President Trump has shown he is not fit for office. Rock bottom is no impediment for a president who can always find room for a new low.

A president who would all but call Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand a whore is not fit to clean the toilets in the Barack Obama Presidential Library or to shine the shoes of George W. Bush.

Donald Trump, the man, on the other hand, is uniquely awful. His sickening behavior is corrosive to the enterprise of a shared governance based on common values and the consent of the governed.

The nation doesn’t seek nor expect perfect presidents, and some have certainly been deeply flawed. But a president who shows such disrespect for the truth, for ethics, for the basic duties of the job and for decency toward others fails at the very essence of what has always made America great.

 

 

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21 Comments »

  1. White women too. How can anybody in their sane mind support a pedophile???

    Moore won among white college graduate women

    Exit poll results showed Moore faring worse among white voters than Republicans in previous Alabama elections, but he maintained a lead among both white men and women and those with and without college degrees.

    Comment by bayporter — December 14, 2017 @ 6:49 am

    • Maybe because college graduates actually understand the definition of “pedophile” : Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to PRE-pubescent children. But as used by Democrats in this election, “pedophile” refers to any sexual attraction to a female under 18. [Guess we have to ban all those songs like “Sixteen Candles”, “Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen” , “You’re 16, You’re beautiful & you’re mine”. [oh and “My Sharona”]. Top 40 lists of the 1950s-1970s are loaded with songs about the sexuality of females below the US legal age of consent.. That is the time Roy Moore grew up in–and most baby boomers.

      National Hypocrisy Show is more like it.

      A 14 year old menstruating girl is not pre-pubescent. I have not heard any accounts of Roy Moore molesting pre-pubescent children. He may be a creepy man unsuited for the US Senate in other ways, but he doesn’t meet the definition of “pedophile”. Democrats on a hyperbolic tangent again.

      Comment by vigi — December 14, 2017 @ 9:30 am

      • Vigi’s attempting to excuse predatory behavior by using pop music as a rationale for immoral behavior.

        Did you also buy Charles Manson’s excuse that the Beatles’s Helter Skelter was telling him to start a race war?

        Comment by Lauren Do — December 14, 2017 @ 9:46 am

        • See my comment #5 below. Pointing out hypocrisy is not excusing behavior. If you don’t approve of a behavior, don’t celebrate it in song and dance.

          Comment by vigi — December 14, 2017 @ 10:10 am

        • The corollary is: if you glamorize behavior with a slew of number one songs, don’t be surprised when people act it out. I believe the age-old expression is “chickens coming home to roost”.

          Comment by vigi — December 14, 2017 @ 10:14 am

      • Vigi – Are you trying to say that all of the laws prohibiting rape and sexual predation are wrong or that our laws against adults over the age of majority having sex with underaged children (minors) are incorrect or wrong? I think you are trying far too hard to justify or excuse Roy Moore’s unjustifiable and prison-worthy behavior. Which makes mew worry a great deal about you…

        Comment by Jon Spangler — December 14, 2017 @ 9:59 am

      • Wow. I find it deeply disturbing that you believe molesting and assaulting a 14 year old as simply “creepy”. That you find the attention given to Mr. Moore’s illegal activities a “hyperbolic tangent”. That you believe that pop songs condone or justify (?) molesting and/or assaulting women.

        Comment by dya — December 14, 2017 @ 10:16 am

        • I’m sure she’d be way harsher about it if the offender had a D next to his name!

          Comment by Rod — December 15, 2017 @ 10:19 am

      • Can you define pedant?

        Comment by dougkeen — December 15, 2017 @ 10:14 pm

  2. That’s one election the republicans gained by losing.

    Comment by jack — December 14, 2017 @ 9:11 am

  3. Comment by vigi — December 14, 2017 @ 9:37 am

  4. Bayporter and Lauren Do are correct: what IS it about (apparently conservative Christian) white voters that predisposes them to vote for people like Roy Moore?

    I ask the indulgence of those who do not believe as I do as I try to respond theologically to our “national horror story.”

    My personal take is that the 19th-century fundamentalist theology underpinning conservative (mostly) white evangelical churches is actually extremely flawed, not really Christian, and perhaps heretical. And it is this deeply flawed misunderstanding of Christianity that, IMHO, leads to closed-mindedness, racism, bigotry, and misogyny in our public affairs. These views are so widespread in our culture that believers and non-believers alike are “infected” with fear across the United States. And I have encountered many people who carry these fears in my 65 years (55 of them as an active, believing Christian).

    Rather than living as if boundless love, grace, and forgiveness (the basic tenets of Jesus’ life teachings) are the “fundamental” building blocks of life, many conservative Christians live in fear (the fear of Hell and damnation, the fear of judgment by an angry and mean God) that they have been mis-taught. They are taught that salvation is a tenuous and conditional gift that can be easily revoked rather than a bountiful gift from a limitless and merciful Creator. These believers then apply that fear in their daily lives and and project that fear and judgment onto their neighbors, rather than accepting and celebrating them as Jesus does. This fear also extends to the paranoia that different-sexed marriage, “traditional family values,” and Christianity itself are threatened by people who are “different,” by legalized safe abortions for those who need them, or by other civil rights. (These fears are, of course, ungrounded in reality.)

    Politicians like Roy Moore play on these ungrounded fears and, thinking that they are basing their choices on authentic Christian values, conservative white Christians (who may genuinely fear changes in our society that seem unfamiliar or uncomfortable) are misled into opposing justice for all (a Biblical principle dating back to the earliest books of the Old Testament) because supporting justice might involve strangeness or “welcoming the stranger” (also an ancient Judeo-Christian principle that is strongly grounded in the Bible).

    We would all be better off without the burden of paranoia. See Merriam-Webster, especially definition 2: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paranoia.

    I wish I could magically release my fearful fellow Christians from their burden of needless and Biblically-unjustified apprehension. The spreading of this fear amounts to heresy when knowingly practiced by preachers who know better but persist in telling lies.

    Achieving justice and freedom for all requires relinquishing our fears of the unknown and the new (new cultures, new languages, new roles for women or people of color in our society, etc.), but the Judeo-Christian Creator promises to always go with us and stand by us as we journey to that Promised Land. If Christians can integrate the promise that “perfect Love casts out fear” we no longer need to carry the heavy burdens of judgment and fear for which Jesus came to redeem us — and we can help create a more just and perfect world for everyone.

    Comment by Jon Spangler — December 14, 2017 @ 9:55 am

    • Misunderstanding or not, the Christian religion (in all its many forms) shaped this country from it’s very beginning. However, the fourteenth Amendment’s church and state separation didn’t cover state supported religion until the middle of the 20th century so it’s no wonder that Jon and Roy still wrangle about the separation.

      I think Jon Spangler should to join Roy Moore and rewrite the Fourteenth Amendment (or the Bible).

      Jon Spangler:
      “I ask the indulgence of those who do not believe as I do as I try to respond theologically to our “national horror story.”

      Misunderstanding or not, the Christian religion (in all its many forms) shaped this country from it’s very beginning. However, the fourteenth Amendment’s church and state separation didn’t cover state supported religion until the middle of the 20th century so it’s no wonder that Jon and Roy still wrangle about the separation

      Jon Spangler:
      “I wish I could magically release my fearful fellow Christians from their burden of needless and Biblically-unjustified apprehension.”

      Jon Spangler:
      “Politicians like Roy Moore play on these ungrounded fears. And it is this deeply flawed misunderstanding of Christianity that, IMHO, leads to closed-mindedness, racism, bigotry, and misogyny in our public affairs…Politicians like Roy Moore play on these ungrounded fears.”

      Jon Spangler:
      “Bayporter and Lauren Do are correct: what IS it about (apparently conservative Christian) white voters that predisposes them to vote for people like Roy Moore?”

      Alabama’s politician Roy Moore :
      “If you’re looking for a man to heal your land you’re not going to find it, it’ll only be God,” “We do keep church and state separate from God. If your Christian culture does not accept abortion, same-sex marriage, sodomy, transgender rights in the bathroom, in the military, then you’re discriminatory and won’t be protected,” said Moore.

      Thursday, August 24th, 2017, U.S. Senate candidate former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore (R) denounced a ruling by the 9th District Court of Appeals which ruled that the Bremerton School District was justified in suspending Coach Joe Kennedy after he took a knee and prayed silently at midfield after football games.

      Misunderstanding or not, the Christian religion (in all its many forms) shaped this country from it’s very beginning. However, the fourteenth Amendment’s church and state separation didn’t cover state supported religion until the middle of the 20th century so it’s no wonder that Jon and Roy still wrangle about the separation

      Comment by jack — December 16, 2017 @ 1:09 pm

  5. Ironically, the men writing and performing these songs about lust for young girls are [almost?] all Hollywood liberals. Then they are outraged when others act them out. Just sayin’…

    Comment by vigi — December 14, 2017 @ 10:07 am

  6. As a retired CPS worker, I can concur with the technicalities of terminology raised above, and even differences in cultural practices over time. Predator would be a better term, and I will adopt it from now on with respect to Roy Moore, should I need to refer to him ever again. Predator is more than sufficient, and speaks to the terror an adult male can raise in a barely pubescent girl, when stalked (at ball games and mall) and asked to place a hand on an adult male’s erect penis. This predatory behavior is easily distinguishable from crooning over a 16 year old in a pony tale. No one singing that song or listening to it was visualizing a 35 year old in his underwear on a floor in a cabin with a 14 year old – or even a 16 or 17 year old. As a 13 year old, I once was the victim of an adult male who pulled over in a car while I was on the way home early from school to go to the dentist. He called out to me as though for directions, exposed himself repulsively, and solicited me in words I can’t repeat, then drove away. My teeth chattered so hard for several hours afterward, that the dentist could not fill my cavity. At the police station, I was unable to say a word, despite the encouragement of my mother. This was the l950s. There was nothing about that era that made this incident more bearable.

    Comment by Katie Cameron — December 14, 2017 @ 11:11 am

  7. Good for Doug Jones, Charles Barkley, and others in Alabama (including, but just barely, Richard Shelby, who saw an obvious disaster in the making) for not forgetting all along that they were speaking (on behalf of a pro-choice candidate) to an Alabama electorate. I’d be interested to know if Jones welcomed or invited the direct involvement of Jimmy Kimmel and Gloria Allred (as opposed to others who could deliver the same message). It’s too bad that it probably took child molestation and the women who spoke out against it to prevent an otherwise lawless extremist like Moore from getting into the Senate.

    Comment by MP — December 14, 2017 @ 5:21 pm

    • I can’t decide if I’m pleased that a theocratic whack job isn’t in the Senate, or horrified that a theocratic whack job child molester got 48.5% of the vote. The next time Alabama secedes, should we bother to stop them?

      Comment by dave — December 14, 2017 @ 6:15 pm

      • I’m about 48 to 49 on that too

        Comment by MP — December 14, 2017 @ 8:31 pm

      • Come to think of it, if the Tide wants to roll, let ’em

        Comment by MP — December 15, 2017 @ 3:03 pm


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