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August 22, 2017

C’mon Alameda, really?

Filed under: Alameda — Lauren Do @ 6:02 am

Really?

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  1. Hmmm-had to do a little research on the “new” counterculture which likens itself to the punk movement-a rejection of what “everyone” else thinks…but it is doubtful the Klan or Nazis think of themselves that way…I think the Alameda version is two or three high school kids right out of American X, although I don’t mean to minimize it. What has been historically true is that the Far Left and the Far right are both anti-Semitic and this plays out in our politics.

    Think about this generation. We have been at war their whole lives waged by both political parties. There have been over 13,000 violent attacks worldwide by Muslim terrorist organizations over the last year. Meanwhile, culture wars leave no room to think on either side.

    Here is a Milo quote from 2016.

    “For at least a year now, I’ve been telling everyone who will listen that being right-wing is the new counterculture, the new punk, an act of rebellion in an era of political correctness, safe spaces, multiculturalism and globalism.—”Milo Yiannopoulos

    Comment by Nowyouknow — August 22, 2017 @ 6:39 am

    • Is Milo Yiannopoulos really someone with whom you want to be on first-name terms?

      Trying to pitch far-right views as countercultural and cool is nothing new. When I was at college, there were the equivalents of the alt-right, who were rather sad young men (always men), virginal and angry at the world. They too tried to recast old prejudices as hip and fresh.

      Comment by BC — August 22, 2017 @ 7:54 am

      • in the 1970’s the Trotsky-ites were super serious men and seemed like they would never get laid.

        Comment by MI — August 22, 2017 @ 10:43 am

        • Cum on Mark, at Cal in the late sextys we used to pretend we were Trotsky-ites just to get laid by the Trotskyetts.

          Comment by jack — August 23, 2017 @ 6:10 pm

    • The far left are not anti-semitic. They are against the continued support of Israel and the subsequent war with Palestine. Nice try, though.

      Comment by Person — August 22, 2017 @ 8:56 am

    • Now–

      You are wrong on two counts.

      1) Milo Yiannopoulis ia NOT a leader of any “counterculture” or any generation: he speaks for a racist, bigoted minority on the fringes of every generation.

      2) Opposing Israel’s imperialist military occupation and oppression of Palestine–which uses some of the same tactics of the Holocaust that the Nazis used to victimize the Jews and other minorities in the 1930s and 1940s–does NOT equal anti-Semitism.

      I stand against hate that is expressed against anyone over their race, gender, identity, religious beliefs, or other factors. (I try not to hate Donald Trump, the GOP, the Nazis, or members of the KKK, even though I often oppose and despise their actions. Those who are filled with hate need to be both held accountable and healed of the wounds that lead them to be bigoted, hateful, or violent.)

      Comment by Jon Spangler — August 23, 2017 @ 9:20 am

      • Jon, your personal feelings for or against other’s personal beliefs even those with whom you characterize as “filled with hate” and your desire that they “be held accountable and healed” are exactly what the KKK, Nazis, Bolshevik, Trotskyites and modern day democrats desire. You’re running with a dangerous crowd.

        Comment by jack — August 23, 2017 @ 6:43 pm

  2. Most children learn from their parents — let’s not leave this out. They act out what they hear at home. Remember when Donald Trump, was accused of accepting a meeting from someone with ties to the Russian government to get “dirt” on Clinton — Trump defended his son and said: my son is a good boy.

    So we can point to the kids — but many of them are simply acting out what they hear at home around the dinner table. And so it’s hard to go after two or three high school kids — because “they are just being kids”.

    Whenever I hear, or see a kid acting out — I look to see how the parents respond to their behavior. When the parents continuously make excuses for “little Billy” (see Trump above), I know where the child learned his/her behavior.

    Comment by Karen Bey — August 22, 2017 @ 7:56 am

    • Whoever did it probably just “messed up”. That is how the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives defended the comments Chump made last week. I wonder if the person/s who did this is happy to see the image republished. That’s not at all to say not to discuss it.

      Comment by MP — August 22, 2017 @ 1:59 pm

  3. Karen and BC speak truth here. Chalking it up to “kids being kids” is not helpful and of course plays into the narrative that apparently white people — white men in particular — can be “kids” well into their old age without any meaningful repercussions for their words or actions. Everyone else is responsible for the words and actions of whatever group they are most closely affiliated, except for white men, white men are allowed to be “good people” even as they chant about not being replaced by Jews or carrying Tiki torches in order to present a menacing front.

    Even if it is a few high school aged Alameda kids it certainly doesn’t make the rhetoric any less harmful or damaging. It’s the height of privilege to be able to dismiss such acts of bias as “kids being kids” without being fearful of what this might portend for you, your family, or your community.

    Remember, the Muslim community has also been the target of attacks as well. The ability — and the will — to terrorize is not limited to one religious group.

    Comment by Lauren Do — August 22, 2017 @ 8:43 am

    • White men! White Men! You just know it’s White Men! I saw a white man shopping at Safeway, he must be one of them people!

      Comment by Bart — August 22, 2017 @ 11:37 am

      • yes it is us white men, with our white privilege, who have dominated the show for centuries. Your post sounds defensive Bart, but maybe you’re just being a wise ass? It doesn’t matter because that’s the first argument most white men put forth. “If it’s all about equality then WTF man ? Black people have the same rights as the rest of us, right? Slaves were emancipated since 1863!” But America is not post racial and we may never get there. Obama proved that. Face your own history and then we can begin to talk about all this.

        Comment by MI — August 22, 2017 @ 4:55 pm

      • Mark Irons is correct: the people who are behind the racial superiority/hate movements (Nazism, KKK, etc.) are, indeed, Caucasians and male–members of the class with more overall privilege, by virtue of our race and the accident” of the conditions of our birth, at least here in the United States. That IS a problem…

        Comment by Jon Spangler — August 23, 2017 @ 9:24 am

    • Lauren Do’s (white) hero…

      Comment by jack — September 2, 2017 @ 11:39 am

      • I lost count of all the F-bombs dropped by the leftist yapper, but this video would be at least 2 minutes shorter without them. Why is it the Left cannot talk without every other word being one of the Seven Words you can’t say on TV?

        Comment by vigi — September 5, 2017 @ 1:39 pm

  4. Several years ago, when I first moved to Alameda, I sent my 7-year-old son out to play (these were the days it was safe to send your child out to play, or so it seemed), and later he returned and said, “Stacey said she can’t play with me because her grandmother said I was a “n”. He then said “mommy, what’s a “n”?

    I took a deep breath, and I took my son in my arms to reassure him. Because he had never heard the word before he couldn’t understand my reaction. Then I proceeded to go out and tell Stacy a few things on my mind.

    As I approached her, it dawned on me that Stacey was a child too, just like my son. I had to bend down to talk to her – she was a little girl about 6 years old and she looked up smiling at me. She had no idea what she had just said – she was just repeating what her grandmother told her.

    I looked at these two sweet innocent children, and realized that my reaction would be a teachable moment for all of us.

    So, I invited Stacey in and I gave them cookies and lemonade while I watched them play. And while I watched them, I wept inside thinking it was very small step in trying to resolve such a huge problem.

    Years later, I came home from the grocery store and opened the front door to see Stacey and other kids from the neighborhood laughing and talking. They were teenagers now. It was obvious watching them, that they were having a great time – and I doubted they remembered the incident when they were younger.

    What I learned from this is that (1) each step towards racial healing and reconciliation is an important one – there is no such thing as a small step (2) children can be taught love, tolerance and respect when they see it modeled by their parents, teachers, neighbors, and leaders in their community.

    Comment by Karen Bey — August 22, 2017 @ 9:06 am

  5. when my wife was teaching and helped organize Holocaust day she made a connection with a group called Facing History and Ourselves (https://www.facinghistory.org/). They do a lot of work around what is called “restorative justice”. I just Googled that term and there is another organization which does that work specifically (http://restorativejustice.org).

    To really change our attitudes it helps to really apply effort, though smaller acts like Karen’s story about her son are part and parcel. All of it moves us forward.

    Terms like restorative justice invite ridicule as being politically correct. And I guess it is just that. I’m not above getting irritated at people who are painfully P.C., but it’s called political correctness for a reason.

    Comment by MI — August 22, 2017 @ 11:07 am

  6. Facing History still exists and I’m sure Jack Weinstein is available to help out the district, the city, or whomever. Contact page. https://www.facinghistory.org/contact

    Comment by Retiredteacher — August 22, 2017 @ 3:00 pm

    • Not sure if Jack is still there but Milton is. He is more or less my wife Ann’s mentor. We just learned that Milton’s dad was assistant to Marcus Foster when he was gunned down by SLA in one of the most misguided acts of political violence in recent memory. Them was some f-cked up times. Let’s hope Trump doesn’t bring them back.

      Comment by MI — August 22, 2017 @ 5:05 pm

  7. 50 years ago, we all listened to songs like this instead of talk on AM radio.

    “I knew a man that I did not care for. And then one day, this man gave me a call. We sat and talked about things on our minds. And now this man, he is a friend of mine.”

    Comment by vigi — August 24, 2017 @ 9:18 am

    • Thanks to DJ Gary Mora and the Radio museum you still can. KYARADIO.COM

      Comment by Retiredteacher — August 24, 2017 @ 12:18 pm


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