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November 11, 2016

Less conversation, more action

Filed under: Alameda — Lauren Do @ 6:01 am

Yesterday both high schools in Alameda saw their desks empty and their students hit the streets to protest the national election:

While these sorts of demonstrations aren’t going to change the results of Tuesday night, at the very least the majority of these kids, who were not eligible to exercise their franchise, at the very least were able to express in their own small way their unhappiness with the results from Tuesday night.

And they weren’t alone either, there are stories from cities around the country where others students have done the same.

There are uncomfortable conversations occurring in schools everywhere which is not how the end of an election for president should be.  On Wednesday morning, Ruby Bridges Elementary held its Student Council elections with speeches from the candidates before voting.  The principal mentioned that even students as young as in Kindergarten knew the results of the election and expressed some level of fear.  The principal spoke about the need, during this difficult time, for compassion, but also for education.  She exhorted the children in that auditorium to remember to exercise their franchise when they are able to. Nothing will bring tears to your eyes and swell you with pride than hearing a room full of elementary students providing a response of “Vote” to the call of “what are you going to do?”

On that theme there will be an opportunity to “Come Together” to reaffirm the inclusiveness of the Alameda Community.  Details here.  It’s tonight at 6pm on the steps of City Hall.

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  1. Today is Veterans Day. My family members fought and died for this country. Sometimes they voted for the winner in the presidential race, and sometimes for the loser. But after all their sacrifices they would’ve been very unhappy to see young people chanting “not our president,” after an election. Go ahead and protest, but these students should be chanting about the misguided pressure President Obama put on Joe Biden not to run because it was Hillary’s “turn” or the underhanded maneuvers Clinton and the duplicitous Democratic Party used to eliminate the more charismatic Bernie Sanders. They could chant about Donna Brazile’s slipping the debate questions to Hillary, or the destruction of 33,000 emails, or even the Libyan fiasco and Syrian refugee crisis she perpetrated, and the economic malaise in most of the country, all of which contributed to her defeat. They could chant about the two major parties conspiring to eliminate the Libertarians and Green Party from the national debates sealing their poor showing and denying Americans a true dialogue about policy. But that would be too complicated and isn’t taught at those schools.

    Comment by Captain Obvious — November 11, 2016 @ 6:57 am

    • Stop. Just stop. Nothing good can happen from biting each other. Good can happen if children (and adults) learn that their vote is a powerful weapon. Good can happen if they work hard going forward to make sure that’s true.

      Comment by Jordan1324 — November 11, 2016 @ 7:25 am

      • Actually, the points he brings up are really important. It’s important for democrats to learn from their failures, and the first step to learning from your failures is to understand why you failed in the first place. Unfortunately for the dems, there were a lot of possible root causes of the failure in this election and it’s going to take some real analysis to determine what the biggest factors were. It’s safe to say that running Hillary, an establishment politician during a time when large portions of the country were clearly begging for an “outsider” (see Trump, Bernie), was a mistake. How much that choice actually contributed to the loss is tough to say.

        Comment by Rodney — November 11, 2016 @ 7:58 am

    • I hope that our children are learning from this process that “charisma” is not a replacement for experience and knowledge. That words matter. That our gatekeepers (traditional news media) failed them because the voices of the consistently disenfranchised (people of color, women, LGBT, disabled, religious minorities) will always be thrust aside to hear about white voters and their needs. That false equivalency is not okay. That ideological purity in any candidate is an impossible demand.

      If they are learning all these hard lessons and more at 15, 16, 17, and 18 perhaps we have a chance for a truly informed and engaged electorate moving forward.

      Comment by Lauren Do — November 11, 2016 @ 8:26 am

      • “…our gatekeepers (traditional news media) failed them…” Interesting statement. Since the traditional media was almost 100% in favor of Clinton and she won the popular vote, in what way did the m media fail them?

        Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 9:40 am

        • How many stories did you see about the Hillary voter as opposed to the Trump voter? How many stories existed about Hillary Clinton’s emails as opposed to her policy papers? How many stories focused on Donald Trump’s lack of meaningful policy as opposed to media normalizing him and setting the bar so low? How many stories did you read and see about normalizing false equivalency that both candidates were equally “bad.” How many stories did you read about before or even after the election night about the fears of everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton with regard to a Trump presidency.

          Right now our national media is much more interested in page clicks and infotainment then they are actually in real journalism that can speak to everyone and for everyone. As long as newsrooms stay mostly homogeneous then we will forever have “news” that shapes our reality in only one way. And that is through the lens of white, straight, male America.

          Comment by Lauren Do — November 11, 2016 @ 10:10 am

        • Trump is indeed a disaster even before taking office. Electing him is a MAJOR error for the country.

          But please, enough with the “straight white male” stuff. It comes off as a persecution complex and ignores the fact that tens of millions of SWM’s (this one included) voted against the SOB. You are quick to take offense when you feel that some groups are stereotyped by the actions of a portion of their number, but yet here you are doing same to millions of Americans as well as many thousands of your SWM neighbors.

          There is much to lament about this election, and solid reason to fear a Trump presidency. Please find a way to do that rationally without impugning neighbors, peers, and millions of others.

          Comment by dave — November 11, 2016 @ 10:35 am

        • If simply bringing up the fact that our nation is centered around straight, white men is “impugning neighbors, peers, and millions of others” please attempt to see beyond your own privileged lens.

          Comment by Lauren Do — November 11, 2016 @ 10:43 am

        • “Right now our national media is much more interested in page clicks and infotainment then they are actually in real journalism” … Diversify the newsroom, yes. But, at least as big a problem is that there is good journalism out there, but most people aren’t interested in consuming it, and even fewer are interested in paying for it.

          Comment by BMac — November 11, 2016 @ 11:32 am

        • Again you’re whistling dixie. Clinton won the popular vote by far. If you’re going to whine all the time about race and gender you’re missing the real reason she lost and that’s because another white male took the wind out of her sails and that was your very own precious Bernie Sanders.

          Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 11:47 am

        • I didn’t vote for Bernie Sanders.

          Comment by Lauren Do — November 11, 2016 @ 12:13 pm

      • “news media failed them…”??? This is the first election in which the winner was not endorsed by a single major American newspaper. In which the winner was described as a “psychopath” and “not qualified to hold office” by “political experts”.[especially American ex-pats on France24 TV]. Get real, Clueless Do.

        Pragmatism beats ideological purity every day of the week.

        Comment by vigi — November 12, 2016 @ 11:30 am

  2. As long as they protest peacefully, I’m happy to see our young children getting involved and participating in the election process. It’s a sad day for all of us that Hillary Clinton was not elected!

    Comment by Karen Bey — November 11, 2016 @ 7:29 am

    • Perhaps, if they (young democrats) moved to the swing states that narrowly gave their vote to Trump, they could influence the electoral college election outcomes and thus influence the presidency.

      Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 9:51 am

  3. #1 — Hillary was right — our children were listening.

    Comment by Karen Bey — November 11, 2016 @ 7:38 am

  4. These students will be victims of Trump’s policies for a much greater period of their lives than ours. I sympathize with their frustration!

    Comment by frank — November 11, 2016 @ 7:54 am

    • I doubt they’ll suffer long, though, parasites always find hosts.

      Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 11:59 am

  5. Now you can say that I’ve grown bitter, but of this you may be sure

    The rich have got their channels in the bedrooms of the poor

    And there’s a mighty judgment coming, but I may be wrong

    You see, you hear these funny voices in the tower of song.

    RIP Leonard Colen

    Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 9:15 am

    • Hallelujah! Happy Veterans Day, Jack. Were you at the Oakland Veterans Auditorium for the announcement about the upcoming Vietnam Vets memorial to the Oakland 100? (I was..it was dark in there)

      Comment by vigi — November 12, 2016 @ 11:34 am

      • vigi, I was not there. But it makes me remember that back in the 60’s Oakland was a Navy (and army) liberty jewel.

        Comment by jack — November 12, 2016 @ 6:49 pm

  6. Cohen..

    Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 9:17 am

  7. Want to know why Hillary lost? This guy nails it, caution: nsfw dialog

    Comment by Tom Frank — November 11, 2016 @ 11:02 am

    • Amen, too bad he’s a white male.

      Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 11:54 am

  8. It’s sad that society has invested so much in schools and teachers so that they can have a quality education, and then they walk out of the classroom neglecting their education. The teachers and administration should be stressing the importance of continuing their studies whether they like the outcome of the election or not.

    Comment by Ed Hirshberg — November 11, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

    • You’re probably not the best person to opine on education, given you take every opportunity to oppose its funding.

      Comment by BC — November 11, 2016 @ 1:36 pm

    • Protest is education. Protest is democracy. Also, I am so happy that Measure B1 passed so that our children will continue to have educators who understand how democracy works! Thank you, Alameda!

      Comment by Gaylon Parsons — November 11, 2016 @ 5:04 pm

      • Only if you have completed the prerequisites. A protest must have a basis in logic & fact, otherwise it is pointless. Democracy works when people actually vote. Jimmy Kimmel interviewed some protesters, who admitted they didn’t vote. Weren’t even registered.

        And teachers leading their underage students onto a freeway to protest? [happened in Concord] Sounds more like child abuse to me.

        Comment by vigi — November 12, 2016 @ 12:27 pm

    • Ed “Landlord/property manager” Hirshberg being out of touch with Alameda youth? Shocking development. What’s next, Ed? Worried about the new hippity hop music?

      Comment by Rodney — November 11, 2016 @ 7:51 pm

  9. Ed,
    Unfortunately, you just helped prove Lauren’s point. I don’t agree with everything she said, but your lack of compassion or empathy is troublesome.

    For many of us, we are experiencing a crisis with the election of Trump, and you’re saying we should just go with business as usual.

    Try for a moment to understand how millions of women and minorities feel after the new leader of our country has basically said we are worthless!

    Comment by Karen Bey — November 11, 2016 @ 1:35 pm

    • Yet more women voted for Trump than for Hillary so they must like feeling basically worthless.

      Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 1:45 pm

      • If by “women” you are only referring to white women then that is true. If you are referring to all women including women of color, then you need to cite your evidence because your fact is wrong.

        Comment by Lauren Do — November 11, 2016 @ 1:54 pm

        • Good catch Lauren. That white male privilege thing has a real effect on perception. Not all women are white. Duh.

          Comment by Jordan1324 — November 11, 2016 @ 3:19 pm

        • You know, Lauren, sometimes I almost wish we’d won the Vietnamese war but then I remember the nice Vietnamese family next door and am happy the way things are.

          Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 4:59 pm

    • I have not heard Trump say that certain groups are worthless. I have heard Hillary call Trump voters a “basket of deplorables”. Be that as it may, the students threaten to derail their education. I grew up in the age of protest (1960s-70s). We lost 80,000 of our generation in the Vietnam war, and maybe a million or so Vietnamese. We watched with horror the use of napalm and agent orange. We thought we really had something to protest. But I watched many students let their studies slide because they were more interested in protesting. I fear they are well represented among the homeless today. All I am saying is just cause you don’t like the incoming president, don’t lose sight of what is important. Because of his age Trump will probably only be a 4 year president.

      Comment by Ed Hirshberg — November 11, 2016 @ 4:02 pm

      • get a hearing aid Ed

        Comment by MI — November 11, 2016 @ 5:25 pm

        • Get a life Mark

          Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 6:13 pm

        • “Nice” ageist comment directed toward Ed from our resident liberal…this is the second negative comment on this blog based on Ed’s age…

          What were you saying about Trump?

          Comment by Captain Obvious — November 12, 2016 @ 4:57 pm

      • Jack, you telling anybody to get a life is really rich. Your trolling is like a full time job!

        Comment by MI — November 15, 2016 @ 9:52 am

        • Great comment, Mark, I agree. The good thing about trolling is you can do it while on travel out of the bubble…full time.

          Comment by jack — November 15, 2016 @ 11:39 am

  10. In spite of what’s happening nationally, lots of people are being called to do the opposite of what we’re seeing in this election cycle. I’m seeing people respond with more compassion, I see it and feel it.

    Lets be careful with our words, and choose a path that will lift each other up during this time of uncertainty.

    Comment by Karen Bey — November 11, 2016 @ 1:51 pm

  11. Well put Karen. Trump isn’t even sworn in, yet:

    1) llegal aliens already leaving the US on their own
    2) Canada is ready to renegotiate NAFTA
    3) Mexico is ready to dicuss NAFTA
    4) TTIP cancelled

    Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 1:56 pm

  12. Move-On.org has a petition to sign to abolish the electoral college if any of you are interested in doing something about the on-going problem of the popular vote being undermined by an archaic voting system. Avaaz has a letter being signed by people all over the world to end the divisiveness and if you sign it there is a much longer piece about how we might think about this going forward and helps to resolve some of the fear that people are feeling. (Such as remembering he was considered too liberal by many in his party and the rest of the world will still be acting to restrict climate change – we just won’t be the leader anymore.) Anyway, reading this longer letter helped me feel better.

    Comment by Nancy Hird — November 11, 2016 @ 2:41 pm

    • “.. an archaic voting system.’

      Do you have a clue why the electoral system was put in place? The founding fathers understood what the tyranny of the majority was all about?

      Comment by jack — November 11, 2016 @ 8:15 pm

    • The Electoral College was established because our founders were able to look into a crystal ball and see that if it wasn’t, then the voters of New York & California would be electing all the national office-holders. Nobody who lives in the land mass of the United States between the coasts would ever have a say. People who advocate abolishing the Electoral College must have flunked their American History & American Institutions classes [that’s why Berkeley required them of all its graduates, regardless of major]. We live in a Republic, not a raw democracy.

      Clinton may have won the “popular” vote, but she lost the “distributed” vote which better represents the country as a whole. She lost by more than 55 electoral votes, which is the most that any one state has to give…and she already had that state [Cal]

      Like I said in an earlier post, our institutions work for the Common Good, not the greater good. There’s a difference, which liberals often are unable to grasp.

      Comment by vigi — November 12, 2016 @ 12:03 pm

  13. Those clips of our high school students demonstrating their abhorrence to the democratic process speaks volumes about the state of public schools in Alameda and the rest of the Bay Area. The teachers are products of the free speech movement in Berkeley during the 60’s and early 70’s. I was lucky enough to be a Vietnam vet on the Cal Berkeley campus during those times and so experienced both sides of of the Vietnam V Free Speech movement.

    So I must say that I understand the products of the Berkeley education free speech syndrome and support it at least to the extent that it remains nonviolent. The current movement, though is apparently using the 1917 Bolshevik model and God only knows where this ends.

    Comment by jack — November 12, 2016 @ 7:39 pm

  14. The demonstrations against the Viet Nam war were not just by students. I was a 25 year old mom wheeling my baby in a stroller to several such peaceful demonstrations. The people were heard, and we were not anti American, or Commies, but people concerned about the carnage that was going on with no direction or purpose. We supported the fighting personnel, but not the leaders who were constantly lying and law breaking. Mr. Trump needs to stand up and say clearly “People who voted for me as your leader, listen up! You cannot mistreat others. You must be kind, compassionate and follow the law.” I doubt if he is going to do that, but that is what a true leader who’s followers are committing mayhem in his name would do. People of color, immigrants, LGBT people, and women are scared, and with reason. They fear not only the laws Trump wants to make to marginalize them, they fear his followers who have been taught that hate should be the norm and it is o.k. to bully and humiliate others.

    Comment by Kate Quick — November 13, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

    • The logic of the left is, according to the Kate comment, is that since Trump won the election he’s responsible for the mayhem and destruction that the left has wrought upon the nation.

      Comment by jack — November 13, 2016 @ 8:19 pm

  15. What a fucking idiot. Do you have a clue what the demonstrators are demonstrating about?

    Comment by jack — November 13, 2016 @ 7:37 pm

  16. I didn’t write this, but it’s quotes from Federalist 68.

    – Federalist No. 68, Hamilton argued that the Electoral College would prevent those with “Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity” from becoming president. Electors would stop anyone who would “convulse the community with any extraordinary or violent movements.”

    Hamilton also wrote that one purpose of the Electoral College was to stop the “desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendancy in our councils.”

    Hamilton further wrote the College would provide “the true test of good government and tendency to produce a good administration.”

    The article posted in 16. states that the E.C. gives advantages to minorities, such as blacks and Latinos. I’ve heard the exact opposite, that it was devised to mollify southern states and the net effect is disenfranchisement of the minorities. I don’t pretend to have deep enough knowledge to argue one way or the other. I do think Hamilton was an elitist, but that’s subjective.

    In defense of popular vote, ours is the only nation I am aware of which does not use the popular vote. Therefore, either the E.C. is pure genius or a total anachronism.

    The plurality is discussed less, but ultimately it seems to me that the most democratic system would be one which delivers a majority ( 50%+1). In my opinion that would be some form of Ranked Choice Voting system which eliminates third parties becoming spoilers but actually strengthens them at the same time. They become less of a calculated risk and greater numbers of votes are likely to be cast for third parties.

    Comment by MI — December 7, 2016 @ 1:17 pm


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