Blogging Bayport Alameda

June 14, 2016

Son with a gun

Filed under: Alameda — Lauren Do @ 6:04 am

Over the weekend a gun toting robber terrorized patrons at the Walgreens in Alameda.

Fortunately no one was hurt.

Over the weekend a gun toting maniac terrorized patrons at a nightclub in Orlando.

Almost 50 people are dead from that rampage.

And yet we still do nothing about reasonable gun regulations in this country even though gun owners support some of these common sense regulations.

The saddest thing on social media right now are the faces of all the victims with tributes from loved ones.  Still better than hearing about the motives of the gunman.

The most frustrating thing on social media are the tweets of lawmakers expressing condolences next to the amount of money they have received from NRA lobbyists or their votes on gun regulation legislation.

If we’re really serious about doing something about the proliferation of guns in the hands of the non responsible gun owners out there, perhaps we should do more than just send our thoughts and prayers when something terrible happens.  Even things that should be obvious like banning people on the terrorist watch list, who aren’t able to fly, but can apparently purchase a gun should be a no brainer.   But even that small level of regulation is too much for second amendment huggers.

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19 Comments

  1. Saw this in the News this morning. A small ray of Hope. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283330-former-gop-senator-endorses-clinton-after-orlando-shooting

    Comment by frank — June 14, 2016 @ 6:58 am

  2. How about the political feasibility of cutting back on the allowed clip/magazine size? It wouldn’t have much of an effect on typical gun incidents, or stop Orlando from happening in the first place, but it might make it harder for one person to reap such a high toll. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any legitimate use of a 30+ round magazine making the news recently.

    Comment by MP — June 14, 2016 @ 7:04 am

  3. If we couldn’t regulate 30 round clips after Sandy Hook, when public opinion was something like 90% in favor, I’m not terribly optimistic that we can now. It is profoundly depressing and disheartening.

    It seems like the country is behaving like an addict. We KNOW we need to get clean — go to gun rehab, to coin a phrase — but the addiction is strong and has many heads like a hydra: Fools are addicted to 2nd Amendment fundamentalism. Weak men are addicted to hero fantasies. Politicians are addicted to the NRA. America woke up on Sunday with a gun hangover and vowed to clean up our act, but hours later the drug was coursing through our veins again.

    Comment by dave — June 14, 2016 @ 9:33 am

  4. Sometimes I really wonder where you get your news. From Orlando sources: “Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old St. Lucie County resident, had a clean criminal record, passed a mental-health screening to get a security guard job, lawfully purchased guns from a licensed dealer and abided by the state’s three-day waiting period to complete the purchase of guns, Putnam said. “He held a ‘D’ license, as well as a ‘G’ license, which means that he is a security guard and a security guard who is permitted to carry a firearm,” Putnam said of Mateen, who was killed by local law enforcement after the attack at the Pulse gay nightclub.”

    What “terrorist watch lists”?? Mass killers are never on those lists. This latest killer met all the requirements for being a “responsible” gun owner. Major Nidal Hasan was presumed to be a responsible gun owner because he was active duty military.

    “Responsible” gun owners, whose jobs even require that they carry guns–forest service rangers, deputy sheriffs, UC Berkeley campus cops–seem to routinely get their cars broken into and their guns stolen..and then Kate Steinle gets killed by one.

    What did the NRA or “2nd Amendment fundamentalists” have to do with any of the above tragedies???

    Comment by vigi — June 14, 2016 @ 10:22 am

    • Errr. That they advocate for legal access to semi-automatic weapons for civilians, maybe. It’s not just crazy people or those on watch lists that should be denied them.

      Adrian B, below, is spot on.

      Comment by BC — June 14, 2016 @ 12:35 pm

    • Here is a little bit of what 2nd Amendment fundamentalism has to do with it: “Mateen left a third weapon, a revolver capable of firing only a mere six shots, in his van.”

      Comment by MP — June 14, 2016 @ 7:24 pm

  5. “NBC Bay Area’s investigation uncovered hundreds of guns missing from Bay Area law enforcement agencies, stolen from officers’ homes or vehicles, or simply unaccounted for. The BLM, the agency responsible for the gun that killed Steinle, did not respond to NBC Bay Area’s open records requests submitted in July, shortly after the shooting, and the question of how many firearms that federal agency can’t account for remains open.

    The NBC Bay Area Investigative Unit filed California Public Records Act requests with law enforcement agencies at the federal, state and local level following Steinle’s death, seeking records pertaining to the loss or theft of law enforcement firearms. In the Bay Area alone, six local law enforcement agencies can’t account for at least 379 firearms since 2010 because of loss or theft. The weapons unaccounted for include military grade assault rifles such as AR-15s and M16s, sniper rifles, shotguns, a gas grenade launcher and hundreds of handguns. The vast majority of those weapons have never been recovered.

    NBC Bay Area’s Investigative Unit found dozens of other firearms stolen from the vehicles and homes of Bay Area law enforcement officers, including 10 from the San Francisco Police Department since 2010, and six from the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Department. In August, a thief stole the gun and badge of UC Berkeley Police Chief Margo Bennett from her personal vehicle. A statement released by UC Berkeley said the chief had been the victim of an auto burglary while jogging near Point Isabel Regional Shoreline in Richmond, but did not say if she would face any disciplinary action as a result of the theft.

    Statewide, the California Highway Patrol lost 35 firearms, all but three of them stolen, according to records obtained by the Investigative Unit. Six of those guns, including two AR-15 rifles, were stolen in one incident. According to CHP records, the guns were taken from two officers’ vehicles as they ate lunch at a Southern California Claim Jumper restaurant in 2013. The guns stolen from the CHP vehicles included Colt rifles, Remington shotguns and the officers department issued side arms, Smith & Wesson .40-caliber tactical semi-automatic handguns. According to the CHP’s own records, department-issued weapons were also stolen from officers’ cars parked in a CalTrans lot, at hotel parking lot in Sacramento, a parking lot outside a Barnes & Noble and a lot at a bank in Alameda.”

    Clearly, Law enforcement cannot be trusted to handle guns responsibly. The state should take all their guns away.

    Comment by vigi — June 14, 2016 @ 10:40 am

    • Actually vigi, your sarcastic comment is literally what should happen. Not that the state taking their guns but new rules should be developed to prevent or at least minimize these incidents. The Cal Trans lot is a tough one, but if the thefts can’t be completely prevented measures should be taken to prevent most of these incidents, including CHP guys taking lunch being restricted to seating which allows them to eyeball their vehicles at all times, even if that means parking in disabled spaces.

      Comment by MI — June 14, 2016 @ 1:12 pm

    • I would have felt a little more at ease if Mateen had stolen the assault rifle in question, or bought it from another criminal, rather than being able to buy it legally and easily. At least the risk of failure would have been higher.

      Comment by MP — June 14, 2016 @ 7:48 pm

  6. I am a gun abolitionist – just ban the damn things – they kill people. Never mind mass killings, the stats for child deaths are abhorrent. My views are influenced by growing up in a civilized society which outlaws guns – namely the UK. Gun crime statistics the collection and publishing of which are not outlawed as they are in the US because of the NRA, show as a blip. Interestingly the only news outlet that I know of actively publishing US guns deaths stats (http://www.shootingtracker.com/) is the Guardian – an English newspaper and it makes for eye opening reading.

    I find it very hard to understand how more guns == more guns as a solution, even if you are a die hard gun lover how can this make sense? The “right to bear arms” seems to me to have been deliberately written in a way that leaves it wide open for interpretation that could be a intellectual starting to control guns that needs to be openly debated instead of being shouted out as as an inalienable, unassailable “right” whenever this comes up.

    Obama has proved that the broken constitution renders the President powerless to effect change and the congress and senate are bought by the nra. I see no hope for Hilary making any progress either. The only hope I see is some grass roots efforts at a local level to eliminate them from our communities and a systematic attempt to create laws that hem them in so that gradually a cultural shift happens from gun loving to gun hating. There is a huge lesson here that can be learned from what the right is doing to kill off abortion that can be learned by a anti gun coalition – but of course just like the anti-abortion movement it will also take money from a wealthy sponsor.

    If nothing is done about this it’ll result in a closed society. It’ll destroy the trust we have in one another and take for granted. I do not see myself as being a gun carrier – I am not qualified to own one – but I can understand the mentality of those who do have this blinkered view. (rant off)

    Comment by Adrian Blakey — June 14, 2016 @ 11:32 am

  7. In theory, it would be wonderful to stop the sales of assault rifles to anyone other than the Military and Police. The issue is money. It’s always money. There are over 8 million assault rifles in the United Stated today. That’s a lot of money. Police departments are missing many assault rifles that have been taken by who knows whom and sold on the street. That’s a lot of money. Congress and the Senate are about money. Lots of money. They enter office in debt and leave office with millions. The gun problem will not change until we change the people in Congress and the Senate. Hmmmm. What are the chances of that happening?

    Comment by Bill2 — June 14, 2016 @ 4:32 pm

  8. The problem lies with the terrorist watch lists themselves, which are both secret and routinely updated without the typical due process given to those who are accused of breaking the law, such as court proceedings. Without a trial, the government can add anyone to watch lists who it believes may be a threat to national security, and exactly how the government defines such a threat isn’t even public knowledge. Taking away constitutional rights based on a secret government list with no way to challenge the designation would likely be unconstitutional.

    Comment by AJ — June 14, 2016 @ 4:53 pm

    • Nailed it! As someone who just got SSSS on my passport and is lifelong squeaky clean, it really made me think. As I was being inspected I saw the crews AND THE CLEANING STAFF go through the same area without even having their name badge checked. Scared me.

      Comment by dj — June 26, 2016 @ 9:18 am

  9. Personally, I think no one should carry more than a revolver, and maybe a pump action shotgun. Six-shooters won the Wild West. Destroy all stronger guns. Equal firepower for all.

    Comment by vigi — June 15, 2016 @ 9:05 am

  10. 3
    Fools are addicted to thinking they know what’s best for everyone but themselves.

    Comment by Jack — June 15, 2016 @ 10:41 am

  11. I know what’s best for me, never owning a gun. I have two Pit Bulls.

    Comment by John P. — June 15, 2016 @ 2:22 pm

  12. 6
    Adrian Blakey, the way you feel about guns, do you feel the same way about knives? The UK seems to have substituted our 2nd Amendment right to shoot whomever we feel like shooting for the right to slice and dice whomever they feel like slicing and dicing.
    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/07/18/uk-knife-attacks-are-surging-n2026497

    Comment by Jack — June 15, 2016 @ 10:21 pm

  13. The terror watchlist is grossly inaccurate. John Lewis shoulda known better since he was on it at one time! I’m not sure what the solution is,but I know that this is not it.

    Comment by dj — June 26, 2016 @ 9:22 am

    • maybe because John Lewis was on the list erroneously, he does know how crude it is but in an effort not to make perfection the enemy of good enough for the moment he chose to sit in out of desperation with his eyes wide open. I love to read anonymous second guessing, because it’s a free country and we get to shoot our mouths off as well as our guns. tangentially related: http://tinyurl.com/zdxwzke ( about security firm who hired Mateen)

      Comment by MI — June 27, 2016 @ 1:10 pm


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