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January 29, 2015

Back where you belong

Filed under: Alameda, Alameda Point, Business, City Council, Development — Lauren Do @ 6:09 am

I know I haven’t had a chance to write about the City Council meeting where the first look of the development concept was presented.  There were some technical difficulties so the video was only fixed and uploaded on Monday.  The City Clerk’s office did a wonderful job of communicating about the status of the video.

It’s a long meeting so I haven’t made my way though it quite yet.  Remember this is the meeting that went until 1:30 a.m. the next day.

But as a reminder there is a meeting tonight for the public to be able to grill the developers about their plans.

It starts at 6:00 p.m. and goes until 8:00 p.m. at Alameda Point.

Location is:

Callahan Piano
(a Steinway Restoration Shop)
Alameda Point Studios 1800 Ferry Point Alameda, CA 94501

One interesting takeaway from that meeting is that a number of people came up to point to the Wrightspeed lease to say “see look, you all said we needed stuff around here for people to come to Alameda Point, this proves that we don’t!”   Which I guess is sort of true except for the fact Wrightspeed joined when the City had already (1) completed an EIR and (2) done a lot of the pre-development work like entitlements and things.  Which is why City Manager John Russo wanted to embark down that path in the first place.  To clear away some of the hurdles which might have made some businesses gun shy about putting their money into the bottomless pit that is Alameda Point.

So even though I was a bit skeptical about John Russo’s idea about the EIR and all the entitlements and so forth, it appears to be paying dividends.  Plus getting a huge break on leases by being allowed to apply your physical building improvements to your lease doesn’t hurt either.

Another commenter that night was super agitated over where the developer placed the jet in their development concept.  I didn’t notice anything weird when I initially looked at the rendering so was surprised that he was making such a big deal about it.   Something about it being much further south than they had included it in their rendering.  He was insistent that the developers some how majorly messed up and Trish Spencer was inclined to agree with him and I guess gave him the benefit of the doubt as opposed to the developer.

So I looked at the rendering again and couldn’t figure out what was quite wrong with it.  So I overlaid the rendering over the Google Maps satellite and this is what I got, I made two.  One to show you how I overlaid it and other other I reduced the opacity so you can see the satellite image below.



So as you can see the jet is almost in the right place, but it’s not because I didn’t rotate the developer rendering at all.  You can see how the blue buildings, the ones that the developer is going to retain is a little off.  If I had rotated the developer rendering clockwise a tiny bit it would have dropped the jet exactly where it belonged.



  1. Comment by Peter Sellers — January 29, 2015 @ 6:48 am

  2. So what was the concern about the jet? Did he think they were going to put a street through there and have to get rid of the jet or something? Honestly, the things people get their knickers in a knot over!

    Comment by Denise Shelton — January 29, 2015 @ 7:13 am

  3. I believe he was just upset that he believed that the jet was drawn in the wrong location.

    Comment by Lauren Do — January 29, 2015 @ 7:46 am

  4. I can’t make tonight’s open house, but i hope that every building in Alameda Point Partners’ plans will use lots of passive solar building designs in addition to active solar, wind, and geothermal technologies to generate their own power, heat hot water, and to heat and cool buildings. The technologies are so easy to install during construction and remodeling that it would be a sin not to create a “zero energy use” development.

    Comment by Jon Spangler — January 29, 2015 @ 8:45 am

  5. I was at that meeting, i think you are referring to Ken Petersen who spoke numerous times. He was pointing out that the map was completely wrong and thus the developer is misleading us all intentionally faulty drawings.
    I am glad you were able to clear this up so easily with your overlay.

    Comment by Al P — January 29, 2015 @ 9:10 am

  6. #4 I agree with Jon for once. “zero energy use” development would be great. That is why I don’t like the adaptive reuse of the hangers so much…when I was in the Air Force…they were always cold in the winter and hot in the summer and the lighting was inadequate.

    Comment by Jake — January 29, 2015 @ 9:18 am

  7. John
    wind turbine are very noisy and a hazard to wild life which the point is a refuge there are nothing else but meat grinder .
    Solar panels are great , why isn’t the city giving incentive to home owner to install them ?????
    all solar panel are not created equal , some loose 25% of their efficiency in 10 years .
    There is another system which has ben installed in most of silicone valley large Business the Bloom energy system ,ebay and most major high tech co are using , a simple cube 12 x12 can power 2 houses …and it work 24/7 or the green cube which I believe saw birth at the university of Maryland also 24/7 one of the largest customer interested by these 2 companies are Con Edison and PGE , Why ? they will be able to transport electricity without millions of miles of high maintenance cables .
    Why it is not Pushed by localities , political lobbyist ! insecurity ! Do check Bloom energy , it work . should it not cost the price of my house I would have one and 2 wires less in the street for the rat and squirel to use as freeway .

    Simply imagine a 7. quake all the lines down no one without power , , new Orleans and Katrina with one difference the looters will have free reign.

    Comment by Joel Rambaud — January 29, 2015 @ 9:35 am

  8. Amen, Jon, but in addition to solar stuff they should go a little further and do the butt stuff.

    By the way, LD do you know what’s moving in to Bld 530 (the old missile building by the south gate)?

    Comment by jack — January 29, 2015 @ 9:43 am

  9. According to the recent “what’s leased at Alameda Point” map It’s still marked as available. But I sent a quick email over to the staff person in charge of leasing to see if there are current negotiations.

    Comment by Lauren Do — January 29, 2015 @ 10:01 am

  10. 7. solar is complicated. without battery back up people with panels are dependent on the grid. In Alameda peak demand is more or less opposite peak production. One might think if we maximized solar we could sell it off island at a profit, but nothing is that simple. I’ve thought for a long time that all commercial buildings like Target should have roof top solar systems mandated by local code, because at least they have high daytime demand. There can be too much of a good thing if you don’t have ways to use it. A friend who works for LA gas company recently sent this:

    Comment by MI — January 29, 2015 @ 10:19 am

  11. 9
    Reason I asked there were a bunch of big moving vans backed up to the open front doors a few days ago. Just curious since I’m a ‘plankowner’ for that building.

    Comment by jack — January 29, 2015 @ 11:22 am

  12. What I’d like to see out at the base is an effort for the city to work with Google (maybe with enticements) and have them Google fiber the Point then wire the whole Island with fiber. Can you imagine the selling point having the Point and then the entire Island on Google fiber.

    Comment by jack — January 29, 2015 @ 11:33 am

  13. Jack, the selling point for AP&T was fiber optics cables. Is Google cable different? They cost of infrastructure installation put AP&T under, but we are now hearing how municipalities are combating price gouging by monopolies like Comcast by doing what we seem to have messed up. Surly ours was a bad business plan, but might Alameda Power have peaked to soon in terms of having the right idea ahead of it’s time?

    Comment by MI — January 29, 2015 @ 12:26 pm

  14. as I recall comcast and others undercut the pricing to help us go out of business also.

    Comment by John P. — January 29, 2015 @ 12:48 pm

  15. What is sad Comcast forced us out of the cable business and took over and then cut our programing and services. Google Cable is working in some places. People sometimes don’t realize what they have until it is gone. I think the City of LA has their own fiber optics system now and it is working as well as some place in the South where Google came in.

    Comment by Jake — January 29, 2015 @ 1:47 pm

  16. This is totally about Internet speed not Cable TV per se. Comcast deserves to die a horrible death. 4K movie streaming is on the horizon and the crap cable/Internet system we now have is obsolete. Criminently, dinky little S Korea has the worlds fastest Internet thousand times faster then our junk.

    Google Fiber provides an Internet connection speed of one gigabit per second (1,000 Mbit/s) for both download and upload which is roughly 100 times faster access than what most Americans have. Google Fiber says its service allows for the download of a full movie in less than two minutes.

    Local bad thinking forced us out of own fiber system. We were thinking too far ahead of the curve and now we can do it right with google’s help.

    Comment by jack — January 29, 2015 @ 2:14 pm

  17. Comcast has actually been installing fiber out at Alameda Point. APC has gotten fiber installed at all of our locations, at significant expense to us in the form of long term contracts and equipment, just because the existing infrastructure was rapidly dying. Diverted those funds from services to infrastructure costs hurt, and I find myself having to do that more and more lately. At the same time I am extremely thankful that we completed our upgrade prior to the multi-day outage that occurred recently. I also have to say that since that mult-day outage we have fielded a lot of calls from other entities out here inquiring about the process we went through.

    Comment by Doug Biggs — January 29, 2015 @ 3:44 pm

  18. Is that privileged info, Doug, or can you share some of the ‘process’ details? Plus, what kind of speed does Comcast fiberr have?

    Comment by jack — January 29, 2015 @ 4:22 pm

  19. I don’t understand the whole thing about the jet to be honest…are they moving the one of them from the 2 gates or they putting up a new one. I personally don’t like them, but that is just me and I was in the Air Force and not the Navy.

    Comment by Jake — January 29, 2015 @ 6:55 pm

  20. How much dark fiber was laid by AP&T? Wasn’t the original AP&T plan to lay it along every major road? Does Comcast now own all that fiber? Is there any incentive for them to lease any of it to another provider who is willing to light a strand or two? Does AP&T still have any control over the fiber at all? Is comcast able to block anyone else laying fiber alongside it? Are there any legal restrictions stopping the city or AP&T from leasing the right the of way to an ISP (like google) who would be willing to lay fiber?

    Comment by Adrian Blakey — January 29, 2015 @ 7:51 pm

  21. Forget AP&T fiber. The only fiber was from poles to user, everything else was copper and it was laid everywhere AP&T served…as far as I know. AP&T still has their cable on the poles in my area. Comcast laid their own cable. Haven’t a clue what the legal ramifications amongst all these players are.

    Comment by jack — January 29, 2015 @ 8:25 pm

  22. I would think Bayport, Grand Marina, and Alameda Landing have fiber as they are all fairly new and the utilities are buried, as well as College of Alameda, but Jack you would probably know?

    Comment by Jake — January 30, 2015 @ 5:35 am

  23. AT&T Uverse is confusing and scammy. We switched our DSL line and TV to Uverse, but went back to Direct for TV. Can’t tell the difference on computer. Prices on all are high and we’re looking to dump tv dish for internet and less programming. Uverse has distribution from central boxes in fiber, but the wires from houses to those distribution points are same old copper. They try to sell it like they magically have fiber everywhere. I’m bad on these technologies, but I think like DSL service depends on proximity to distribution so it’s uneven.

    I think when AP&T laid cable across the inlet to San Leandro bay to Harbor Bay is when they had to breach the firewall for funding and got into trouble.

    Comment by MI — January 30, 2015 @ 9:29 am

  24. Facebook is currently hiring 1100 Aerospace Engineers to compete with Google’s Project Loon.

    Comment by frank m — January 30, 2015 @ 10:03 am

  25. Theoretically Xfinity should have the highest speed since they claimed to have doubled the internet speed to customers subscribing to one of their top three internet speed tiers last fall. I subscribe to their Blast tier which was supposed to increase to 105 Download MBPS from 50 MBPS after the upgrade, which included a new router which you can’t buy but have to rent (another ripoff).

    I just now did a speed test from the server in San Jose and the download speed was 19.5 MBPS upload was 12.23, so of course the advertised speeds are nothing more than a theoretical method of soaking more money out of subscribers.

    Every year I go through hoops when Comcast does their annual rate increase. If you know how the hoops work you can usually keep your rate down to a constant yearly rate. Mine now is $186 per month but I get bells and whistles.

    Jake, you can check your speed here:

    Comment by jack — January 30, 2015 @ 10:18 am

  26. 24. sounds a little loony. Are those aerospace jocks responsible for SNAFU at Facebook earlier this week?

    Comment by MI — January 30, 2015 @ 11:01 am

  27. #7 Your entire post is incorrect. Bloom Energy is a disaster The city does offer solar rebates. State of the art wind turbines are as quiet as a refrigerator at 1000 ft and kill less birds a year than a single house cat.

    Comment by BL — January 30, 2015 @ 12:51 pm

  28. #7 they have rats on those wires. All our wires are buried, but we did get a rat in our back yard last week. We let the dogs out to feed them dinner and the little one started barking in the corner and all of a sudden the rat was climbing the fence and is probably now in one of my neighbors yard. Sorry neighbors…thank you Bandit. Now when he goes out he patrols the yard every time we let he out.

    Did anyone go to the meeting last night? I was at the dog park and saw a lot of traffic on Main St.

    Comment by Jake — January 30, 2015 @ 1:21 pm

  29. Jake, the Friday meeting took place at RW and we were honored with a surprise appearance by her Mayorship. Never know who’s going to show up on Friday.

    Comment by jack — January 30, 2015 @ 7:03 pm

  30. Just to follow up on who’s moving into building 530 from comment 8, there is a temporary tenant in the building now (only for a few more months). No permanent long term tenant yet.

    Comment by Lauren Do — March 3, 2015 @ 10:18 am

  31. Thanks, Lauren.

    Comment by jack — March 3, 2015 @ 12:00 pm

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