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December 5, 2014

The fast and the casual

Filed under: Alameda, Alameda Landing, Business, Development — Lauren Do @ 6:05 am

Something light and fluffy to end the week on, plus, free-ish stuff.

At South Shore (by the way Best Lil Porkhouse is open, I haven’t had the chance to go yet we’re still making our way through Thanksgiving leftovers.  Seriously.) if you bring an unwrapped toy to the Little Ice Rink to donate to Toys for Tots you can get an awesome reusable “Alameda Island Shopper” bag.  See flier here.

Oh, also, I was going to post about the new stores that were slated for Alameda Landing, but between the election and Thanksgiving, I ran out of time.    When last we updated Panda Express and Sprint were the two newest additions to the list.

A few other retailers were added about a month ago:

First United Credit Union and a chain restaurant out of the Kansas City area called Spin! Pizza.

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T-Mobile is occupying a space right next to Panda Express which brings Alameda Landing’s cell phone store count up to two, not including the cell phone stuff in Target.

According to the legend for the retail map for Alameda Landing, these are the spaces and types of businesses currently in negotiation.

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The location of the Sandwich store was where Which Wich had formerly placed dibs on and then they fell off the list after Alameda Landing sort of stalled out for a while.  Chipotle has been confirmed as coming by the East Bay Business Times and I’m assuming that “Retail/Nutrition” is probably going to be a GNC of some sort.   I’m excited to see another Quick Service Restaurant coming, because honestly, when you have kids sometimes Quick Service Restaurant are just easier than traditional sit down restaurants, but doesn’t make you feel as bad a a fast food joint.

As an aside, I was watching a YouTube video from the Terranomics people — the ones leasing up Alameda Landing — and I learned an interesting factoid was that quick services also known as fast casual restaurants generally pay the highest leases in a shopping center but generate the majority of transactions for those shopping centers.



  1. Great. I can bring my phone into T-Mobile in person and demonstrate the terrible reception I get in Alameda.

    Comment by BC — December 5, 2014 @ 8:21 am

  2. It’s looking more and more like Emeryville…and not as varied.

    Comment by Isadora Alman — December 5, 2014 @ 9:43 am

  3. Panda Express and a cell phone store. Yay! We now officially have a shitty mall just like every other town. I’m so proud of us. When does Sbarro move in?

    Comment by AJ — December 5, 2014 @ 9:56 am

  4. Come on, don’t be stuck in a time warp, be progressive about development.

    Comment by dave — December 5, 2014 @ 10:11 am

  5. Two Council meetings ago when they voted approval of ENA for the Point, among the speakers was somebody I’ve known since we moved here, though we haven’t talked in a while. She assembled a packet for Council of all the vacancies along Park, Webster and at South Shore. I find it impressive when somebody makes that kind of effort to punctuate their point of view. I think the packet contained photos of the empty store fronts. Yesterday Irene’s column in the Sun was about the early discussion taking place in Oakland on a proposed super complex at the coliseum with thousands of feet of retail and many many housing units. Aside from announcing the Sierra Club walking tour this weekend she seemed to be expressing concern about the negative impacts of filling leases at the Point should that complex actually materialize, though if Oakland goes for it, it may take a few years. Some could argue it is all the more important for us to have approved the ENA so we can stay ahead of a project like that. I’m thinking of the first sports complex for 49ers which passed a ballot vote with blessing of Willy Brown but never happened. I’m more concerned about the revived 9th Ave project, now Clinton Basin Project, which has broken ground, but that is maybe another conversation.

    Back to existing empty retail. Many, many times we have compared notes on what businesses each of us would like to see, speculating on what might succeed, etc. I don’t want to go down that path again, but I’d like to go back to out friend’s packet and maybe have a theoretical discussion about how we should approach reaching critical mass of economic prosperity with retail. I don’t think it makes sense to simply stop building any new venues until all the existing store fronts are full, though emotionally I totally get that. I’m happy with the revamp at South Shore though relieved Target didn’t come there because of tipping the scale. It would have been a good anchor to fill other stores faster but my fear was that it would just crush the site. The developer did manage to sell the project without that anchor. My shopping habits are an anomaly, but I shop very little at South shore, ten feet from my home, and may never set foot at the Landing. Aside from “quick service”, why would anybody go to Panda Express when East Ocean is nearly as economical and ten times better? Easy parking?

    I supported the concept of moratorium on housing when Kaufman and Broad was negotiating the zoning change for Marina Cove 1 but that was just to see if we could get an upgrade. We are swimming along in a free market system which is a bit of anarchy. Many of the premises on which a lot of businesses operate may not be sound in the long run, but it’s a sort of anarchy. I actually can’t stand most of what has been built at the Landing and it really disappoints me that is what market demand produces, but is it that or nothing? The Landing can’t be built out with mom and pop retail, but if the critical mass of activity can eventually fill the empty store fronts ion Webster, I guess I support it. There are boosters who say that absolutely will happen, but I don’t trust their enthusiasm, just as I doubt the idea we should stop building new venues until all our existing retail space is rented.

    Comment by MI — December 5, 2014 @ 11:07 am

  6. At least you don’t need to spend your money to buy this stuff off the Island. Retention of Tax $$$ – what its all about.

    Comment by ChrisD — December 5, 2014 @ 11:11 am

  7. MI: I remember that speaker that assembled the packet, however a few of the sites she referred to as “vacant” have tenants. I think I remember her referring to the PV square site (not by name, but I think she mentioned the address) which will house the Alameda Island Brewing and the new Bakery.

    Comment by Lauren Do — December 5, 2014 @ 11:12 am

  8. Even though some people don’t want certain stores there are a lot of others who do. Maybe Panda Express isn’t for you and East Ocean is some people prefer the other (I don’t like either). If people don’t support them they will not survive. Webster has Subway, McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, Jack in the Box, Weiner place, Carl’s Jr. and other fast food and now some new places. I bet the ones who survive are the one kids want to go to…and the ones kids want to go is where parents go.

    The reason Emeryville is so popular is it reaches a market. Where do you think the market is heading…if you are 60 or older it is not going your way. Which is a sad truth but realistic. I remember before cell phones you had one place to go connect your service and buy phones and now there all over. Were did you go to rent movies….gone. Things change as technology changes. In 10 years people will be saying remember when we went to Best Buys and bought that or Circuit City…who knows if they will be there still as Circuit City is already gone. We have a Target now which is 1 step above Walmart, which replaced K Mart. Sears and Montgomery Wards, one has disappeared and the other just barely holding on. Cable companies are now worried because people are getting rid of cable TV.

    MI, I don’t understand why you care so much about the West End since you live on the East end. You think South Shore is great but you don’t like Alameda Landing…they pretty much look the same to me. The only difference is around South Shore is 60-70′ style apartments/housing and around Alameda Landing is new housing. In reality it is just a preference.

    I am excited about the Alameda Landing although I would not want to live there. I love Bayport and if Target wasn’t there I would consider it but looking out your front windows to Target is not great.

    Comment by Jake — December 5, 2014 @ 12:51 pm

  9. Jake, I think you suffer tunnel vision or something. Sure, my concern is my living room, but next my nearest retail strip extending out in concentrically to the entire planet, universe etc., Webster Street and the west end along the way. It is not that I’m in love with South Shore, its’ that it was there, it was crummy and the rehab has been a relative success. It seems to me the Landing is more of a generic strip mall in many ways, even if the differences are not that great. I don’t think the differences are just a preference. I am also talking strictly retail at this point, since I haven’t been over there recently and don’t want to comment on housing until I’ve seen it. I have to say that a lot of the housing around the mall in Emeryville with the Home Depot near 40th is kind of depressing, though with limited means I think it is the warm security of the interior that counts as much as what surrounds a home.

    Comment by MI — December 5, 2014 @ 1:25 pm

  10. I guess some of us have been unrealistic about what shopping options Alameda could conceivably attract. Where I am on Long Island at the moment, there is a glittering upscale mall that some Alamedans would drool over: Macys, Saks, Brooks Brothers, an Apple Store, a Hallmark Store (yes, they still exist!), Cheesecake Factory, Best Buy, Legal Seafood, PF Changs, Abercrombie, Coach, Brookstone, Carhartt, Urban Outfitters, Pottery Barn, and many, many others. Huntington itself is mostly a bedroom community, with just shy of 19,000 residents, but the difference is that the Long Island Railroad and two major expressways run right through it and this mall attracts shoppers from all over the New York Metropolitan area which has 19.8 million residents. Not far away in Deerpark, there is a Tanger Outlets mall with discount outlets for many upscale stores, again, a shopper’s paradise but a much more affordable one. Both malls are spotless, well run, and maintained and, on the weekends, you can barely find a parking space. Although there are 76,000 people in Alameda, there are only 7 million in the San Francisco Bay Area. In order to support upscale stores, you need not dozens or hundreds of well to do families in close proximity, but tens of thousands. Alameda will never be able to support the kind of shopping many of us would love to see. What that leaves us with are mom and pop shops that are more expensive simply because they cannot take advantage of volume discounts, and your Targets and Walgreens, and Safeways and fast food and quick service places. Hopefully, Webster will eventually evolve the way Park Street has. Then, people who like the small town mom and pop options can choose to live within walking distance of those, and the mall enthusiasts can live in the housing developments. Alameda has neither the access nor the population to make it an upscale shopping destination.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — December 5, 2014 @ 2:14 pm

  11. MI, Sorry I offend you. I don’t think it is that generic, but I did like the original plans better. Catellus actually built East Baybridge Center in Emeryville which includes the Home Depot you referred to and were partners in building the housing there. Alameda Landing is a nicer version of East Baybridge and basically used this model in other similar developments. It would be nice to see something different on Site A on the base. Catellus also donated/sold much of the waterfront land to EBRPD from Golden Gate Fields to the Berkley or Emeryville…they use to be partners in Golden Gate Fields. Santa Fe Railroad/Realty Corporation spun off the real estate portion of the business and became Catellus. Just a few fun facts.

    Comment by Jake — December 5, 2014 @ 4:23 pm

  12. Someone from another site went to see the houses at Alameda Landing and “We went into the sales office and were told that phase one was all sold out with houses going for $850-$1,000,000! The salesman said that there is a waiting list of 2300 people for phase two.”

    Comment by Jake — December 6, 2014 @ 2:47 pm

  13. For all the criticism that I hear from people over Alameda Landing, it is sure a hell of alot better than a bunch of old wooden warehouses that were deteriorated beyond repair. Shopping areas that are built in today’s world are not going to be “organic”. Living in the West End of Alameda we haven’t had the success that Park St. has had. Webster St. will be able to grow slower and perhaps more “organically”,that would be good. But for us living here in the West End that new shopping center sure looks good.

    Comment by John P. — December 6, 2014 @ 3:08 pm

  14. John, I have to agree with you. Initially I fought for more of an urban format for the Target center, but they did a real nice job on the building and landscaping. While I would prefer to see more upscale shops at the Landing, it won’t happen with Target as the anchor tenant.

    I think I mentioned I spoke to a friend from the East End who loves what’s happening at the Landing. She’s a stay at home mom that likes the fact that she doesn’t have to leave the Island to shop.

    Jake — that’s hard to believe 2,300 people on the wait list? Are you sure?

    Comment by Karen Bey — December 6, 2014 @ 6:45 pm

  15. Karen, I didn’t hear it from the salesman but I know the person who wrote it and I have no reason to doubt her. The sold out phase 1 in 1 day except one of the loft condo’s which sold soon after.

    Comment by Jake — December 6, 2014 @ 7:44 pm

  16. Only tenants missing are :
    Retail store outlet we really miss them , then a few other clearing stores like Marshall , Ross , Big lot maybe goodwill or the Salvation Army……..hey how about a used car lot ………..

    Comment by joel Rambaud — December 7, 2014 @ 11:10 am

  17. can someone name me the closes town that does not have a shopping center, franchise type business or big box store. These are the times we live in, and the “urban” area where we happen to live, its what you get if you live in the bay area. I understand that we would all like something better I guess that’s just human.

    Comment by John P. — December 7, 2014 @ 9:37 pm

  18. #18. It is what you get when you live almost anywhere in the U.S. except for very rich enclaves or totally rural, farming areas. Unfortunate, but true. All over the U.S. And the same stores. We are lucky not to have strip malls as well as the two malls we have now. In true suburbs, strip malls are ubiquitous.

    Comment by Kate Quick — December 8, 2014 @ 7:33 am

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