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July 22, 2014

Fee for all, redux

Filed under: Alameda, City Council — Lauren Do @ 6:02 am

So while building permit fees did not triple on July 15, 2014, there is a proposal slated for the next City Council meeting to raise some of the fees on the City’s Master Fee Schedule.   That link is to last year’s Master Fee Schedule and the newest one is proposed in this agenda item for next week, from the staff report:

On January 22, 1992, the City Council adopted Resolution Number 12191, codifying all fees for services and linking the rate at which the City’s fee schedule may be increased to the Consumer Price Index for the San Francisco Bay Area. Subsequently each year, via resolution, the fee structure is revised and updated to streamline fee collection. This year the City has incorporated a new Development Impact Fees (DIF), introduced by City Council at the July 1, 2014 City Council meeting. If the new DIF are passed at tonight’s City Council meeting, future increases to the DIF will be based on the Engineering News Record Construction Price Index for the San Francisco Bay Area.

On October 3, 2006, the City Council approved Resolution 14027, Amending Master Fee Resolution No. 12191 to Revise and Streamline the Planning & Building, Public Works, and Fire Department Fee Schedules, to allow for 100% cost recovery.

How much are building permits for regular folks doing remodels going up?   A bit, but some are going down as well.

I picked out a few examples to compare.  So let’s say you want to put in a carport.   The existing fees are $632 and the proposed fee is $727, a little less than a $100 difference.

Right now it would cost you $524 to erect a flag pole, the proposed rate actually declined and would run you $485.

Want to put a deck on the second story of your house?  Now it would cost you $720, the proposed rate has been discounted to $485.

Putting up a fence six feet tall?   Now it would run you $261, the proposed rate would cost you $381, a $120 increase.

It will cost you a whole lot more to put in a cell phone antennae though.  Whereas it would cost $736 today to put up one of these towers, the proposals pegs the rate at $1177.

Lots more examples to compare, I’m willing to pull out numbers of anyone wants a specific comparison.  If you don’t want any of these rates to increase then I guess you need to go to next week’s City Council meeting to complain.

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20 Comments

  1. And they wonder why so many people make changes without taking out permits. It would be interesting to see if the revenue rose if they made the permits more affordable.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — July 22, 2014 @ 8:51 am

  2. It’s not the fees that encourage unpermitted work, it’s the imperious attitude of the clerks, combined with arbitrary, inconsistent and at times uninformed enforcement of rules and codes.

    Comment by Joe Homeowner — July 22, 2014 @ 9:01 am

  3. #2 – I interact with the Planning and Building staff on a regular basis and your comment couldn’t be further from the truth. I also deal with planning/building staff in many other jurisdictions around the Bay Area. The staff here in Alameda are courteous, fair, and have a very good sense of customer service. Residents may not like the answers they receive at times, but the answers are consistent with the city ordinances and codes. For the volume of construction going on in Alameda the staff is stretched quite thin and they do a very professional job working to keep things moving efficiently.

    Comment by david burton — July 22, 2014 @ 9:19 am

  4. My experiences have been quite different than yours.

    Comment by Joe Homeowner — July 22, 2014 @ 9:46 am

  5. #3 couldn’t disagree with you more. We wanted to replace a kitchen window with a slightly different design. I went in to the planning department to submit the permit application. The first clerk was very helpful and started processing the paperwork for the permit. Then there was a question she couldn’t answer so she brought over a senior planner. The second planner was rude and dismissive from the start hardly even looking at our plans. She arrogantly said that our plan would never be approved because historical window designs can’t be altered and basically daring us to submit it so it could be denied. When I asked her to show me where in the regulations the window rules were written so that I could adhere to them, she picked up a binder threw it on the table and told me to look it up. Dismayed I went home and took the time to completely read the regulations. She was wrong, flat 100% wrong. I resubmitted for the permit with the accompanying documentation from the regulations that she had refused to review with me and it was approved. This whole process drained about 4 hours of my time, causing me to leave work early twice.

    Comment by AJ — July 22, 2014 @ 9:51 am

  6. #3 Are you the same David Burton who just completed a 3 year term on the Planning Board?

    If yes, might that explain the respectful and helpful attitude you have experienced?

    http://alamedaca.gov/city-hall/planning-board

    Comment by Joe Homeowner — July 22, 2014 @ 10:31 am

  7. #6 – Yes, I am, but many of my experiences predate my time on the Planning Board. I also pay close attention to how staff interacts with other applicants when I am doing business at the counter, and there is a consistently high level of service.

    Comment by david burton — July 22, 2014 @ 10:42 am

  8. Is it conceivable they might show more politeness in your presence than when you aren’t there to observe?

    You’ve obviously had many more interactions than I have, all I can say is that mine have been dreadful.

    Comment by Joe Homeowner — July 22, 2014 @ 10:52 am

  9. I don’t see that David’s experience is completely inconsistent with others. He’s a polite guy. I don’t think Mr. Burton gets special treatment per say for being on planning board but any of us who are regulars in that office have a better ability to run the gauntlet. It’s just the product of working with people on a regular basis.

    I had a very similar window issue and resolved it, and in various interactions have felt the system to be overly bureaucratic but I find it hard to believe that any staff was as blatantly rude as described in 5. I really find it particularly difficult to believe somebody tossed an entire book on the table for this window issue because there are dozens of work sheets in plastic bins on the wall and the basic window design review is one of them. The language in question is a paragraph or two.

    I’m actually surprised you were able to determine language on your own which allowed the drastically different window, but it’s good you did. One of my specific issues is the actual language of the design review for windows seeming too restrictive, as if it is there to appease the most conservative preservationists who are a lobby in this town. Senior staff agree about the language being clumsy but the process for modifying the document is so cumbersome and they are so overwhelmed with big projects that we all have to make due. Normally there are cycles for reviewing all these documents which are years apart and the process takes months. I had to work with staff to agree on an interpretation which allowed the window change I was after because on first blush the language could also have been read to deny my modification. I happened to start the process with a completely new planner so I don’t fault her for her reading, just annoyed. There have been days when I’ve been so frustrated at the bureaucracy that I’ve lost patience and huffed, puffed, stomped and swore. The permit techs managed are pretty damn patient. That’s just me. AJ, maybe your attitude caused the staff person in question to be less helpful than they might have been? Just saying. The biggest complaint I’ve had on the inspection end is interpretations of drawings, as opposed to code, particularly use of the term “as drawn”. There is a basis for everything and in my opinion it is not completely arbitrary even if the experiences are inconstant and frustrating.

    Comment by MI — July 22, 2014 @ 12:19 pm

  10. I find it easy to believe that a book was thrown down. My most recent experience w/ them included:

    -rude, eye rolling and contemptuous sighs at each question I asked. The clerk was genuinely annoyed that a homeowner didn’t know the code chapter & verse

    -an extra-legal stipulation was added, something NEVER mentioned in any law/code/rule — when I asked to see the rule in writing all i got was “that’s the rule”

    -the clerk lied to me about having never getting my emails, I pulled out my phone & showed the return receipts to prove they had been received

    -a very long wait in the office while several staff members were streaming the world cup and yakking about soccer (to be fair, one staffer offered to turn his laptop around so we in the waiting area could watch)

    -witnessing other people treated even more rudely that I was

    I’m not a pro, so I don’t deal with them often. Maybe they are decent and professional to regular visitors, they sure as hell weren’t with me

    Comment by Joe Homeowner — July 22, 2014 @ 1:29 pm

  11. In 26 years I have yet to have a negative experience with the building Dept , Not a single one .
    I am far from being a happy camper as I threaten them to rent a bulldozer to repair the ever clogging sewer line , it took 3 different attempt over 4 years , I am not missing the former public work director , not alone either.

    could it be because I first started by submitting permit with the documentation required , let see ,
    = replaced all water line to the meter
    = remove all the lead paint inside our
    = replaced 111 old roof
    = replaced all gas line {we still had live gas line in the ceiling from gas light},
    = replaced the entire electrical system using top of the line,
    = replaced the entire sewer line with not one but 4 clean out access , and was assessed 1.5 million dollar for property improvement as the assessor mistaken our house for a downtown federal building .
    did several retaining wall , you name it , not a single Inspector nor City Employee was disrespectful , When you walk in with an attitude you get defense and resistance .
    Yes I will agree all the Inspectors do not interpret the code the same way , no one does in the entire Country .
    This However can be fixed by the homeowner keeping proper documentation of conversation , then simply turn around and say N1 said this , N2 said that and now you say this can you please have a meeting and tell me what to do as I want to do it to code but no one has the same answer and I am paying for it , do it in a respectful way …. not complicated .

    I deal thru my Customer on a weekly basis with them , some have good experience , some not , it is interesting the latest are the same one driving me crazy

    I have a very strong objection when an home owner such as the one up the block pull out a permit for retaining wall , end up doing major foundation work , excavation and dumping concrete in the gutter up to 6 “worth , install 4″sewer line when there was a 2″line same one transformed 2 studio by a 3 bedroom rental without parking , on the other side of the block one transformed a small 2 bedroom unit into a 4 plex , destroying street light twice in the process .
    So please don’t come around saying it is a nightmare . They are also human and make mistake don’t you?

    People do not take permit because they believe that fee is too much , they will have a whole different perspective the day they need to call the insurance , they will have the right to deny any payment.

    On the same line they use uninsured , unlicensed contractors , not being aware should anyone been hurt including the contractor they hired , they as Homeowner will have to pay for everything , it is a growing trend among Attorneys .

    I do not believe Permit fee should be aligned with San Francisco , housing there is 50% more expensive and permit should reflect our cost of leaving . This would be the first step toward affordable housing, more important , more people would take permits , in my case 1 out of 8 do …..

    Hope this will comply with Jack censorship :-}

    Comment by Joel Rambaud — July 22, 2014 @ 1:47 pm

  12. 10. I have a contractors license and like to think I am a competent craftsman, but I am not a “pro” either, especially when it comes to being civil, but I know when I’m being an asshole, as I often am.

    I don’t feel I get special treatment at planning and building by any means, I just have a better feel for when things might get weird and how to head it off. The front line people, the “permit technicians” are the bottom rung and they are all pretty reasonable and considerate ( 3 of them). I do know all the department people by name and some remember mine or at least my face. The next level up from permit tech is are planner 1, who field zoning and design questions, like windows. They used to rotate “planner of the day”, but I don’t know the system these days. Last five times I’ve dealt with the same woman, who happens to be new. She has an immediate supervisor.

    Planners go up in number ( to 4?) all the way to Andrew Thomas, but Greg McFann is responsible for the building side and inspectors. One of the older permits techs has been there a long time and will chat with customers, which when you are waiting, waiting waiting, can seem unbearable but I flip it around and think about having her listen to me when it’s my turn. A permit tech who retired was really sweet, but conversely her defense to people ragging on her about the bureaucracy was to retreat into “the box”. Never expected her to think outside the box…at all, and she never would. Think about being there day after day and everybody comes in like their problem is special and deserves immediate attention. I couldn’t deal with waiting on us. The waiting time is arbitrary. I recently saw somebody who I know has been around for years come in without an appointment and ask to see the lone plan checker, Jesse, who everybody wants to talk to. After five minutes wait he stormed out in disgust. I had no sympathy. There are a lot of times I wander in, look at the number of people waiting and leave.

    Joel’s advise about discrepancies with inspections is very wise. My electrical contractor is an old friend but he loves to pick fights with inspectors and I’ve run him off my job a time or two.

    Comment by MI — July 22, 2014 @ 5:46 pm

  13. it is interesting also to see the so called raised in lumber , my shares in the future index show that in 2008 price was $648.41 for plywood and it is $515.18 and for cut lumber it was 360 it is 380 now , I do not see any triple digit increase not even at home depot .

    Comment by Joel Rambaud — July 22, 2014 @ 8:45 pm

  14. Lumber Futures Chart

    http://tos.mx/8GCkmq

    Comment by Don't let numbers get in the way of a good story — July 23, 2014 @ 8:50 am

  15. Don’t let the numbers get in the way of good story
    Thanks for “your” chart you just proved Joel Rambaud’s point.
    Dave.

    Comment by Dave — July 23, 2014 @ 8:59 am

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    Date Random Lengths
    Composite Price CME Futures
    Price Contract Delivery Date
    2014
    Jul. 10 $379 $339.0
    Jul. 3 $377 $337.8
    Jun. 27 $377 $340.2
    Jun. 20 $373 $318.3
    Jun. 13 $371 $300.2 September 2014
    Jun. 6 $375 $306.3
    May 30 $381 $310.1
    May 23 $382 $314.9
    May 16 $380 $329.6
    May 9 $376 $342.8
    May 2 $370 $334.1
    Apr. 25 $365 $327.6 July 2014
    Apr. 18 $362 $329.7
    Apr. 11 $362 $333.2
    Apr. 4 $370 $328.9
    Mar. 28 $378 $335.5
    Mar. 21 $384 $340.4
    Mar. 14 $387 $350.5
    Mar. 7 $388 $355.7 May 2014
    Feb. 28 $389 $353.2
    Feb. 21 $387 $361.3
    Feb. 14 $389 $360.8
    Feb. 7 $397 $354.0
    Jan. 31 $403 $358.9
    Jan. 24 $404 $363.9
    Jan. 17 $400 $366.7 March 2014
    Jan. 10 $394 $365.5
    Jan. 3 $390 $353.3
    2013
    Dec. 27 $387 $368.3
    Dec. 20 $384 $373.5
    Dec. 13 $379 $357.6
    Dec. 6 $388 $349.5
    Nov. 27 $397 $361.7
    Nov. 22 $399 $361.8 January 2014
    Nov. 15 $399 $373.0
    Nov. 8 $396 $366.5
    Nov. 1 $389 $361.5
    Oct. 25 $381 $351.4
    Oct. 18 $383 $353.0
    Oct. 11 $383 $338.6
    Oct. 4 $384 $334.0
    Sep. 27 $381 $341.3
    Sep. 20 $373 $354.3 November 2013
    Sep. 13 $364 $329.2
    Sep. 6 $354 $330.5
    Aug. 30 $350 $316.0
    Aug. 23 $352 $317.0
    Aug. 16 $354 $324.0
    Aug. 9 $355 $306.1
    Aug. 2 $356 $308.2
    July 26 $353 $320.7
    July 19 $346 $331.5 September 2013
    July 12 $335 $303.0
    July 3 $327 $304.8
    June 28 $324 $302.6
    June 21 $322 $286.0
    June 14 $331 $286.0
    June 7 $340 $308.8
    May 31 $348 $291.9
    May 24 $361 $303.3 July 2013
    May 17 $374 $314.4
    May 10 $383 $328.5
    May 3 $396 $337.2
    April 26 $414 $352.5
    April 19 $434 $360.9
    April 12 $449 $373.6
    April 5 $451 $379.8
    March 29 $447 $391.2
    March 22 $441 $386.3 May 2013
    March 15 $432 $395.1
    March 8 $423 $395.0
    March 1 $416 $380.3
    Feb. 22 $415 $378.0
    Feb. 15 $408 $395.5
    Feb. 8 $397 $382.8
    Feb. 1 $387 $352.7 March 2013
    Jan. 25 $395 $367.6
    Jan. 18 $400 $367.6
    Jan. 11 $396 $373.0
    Jan. 4 $389 $370.4
    2012
    Dec. 28 $381 $386.4
    Dec. 21 $373 $356.6
    Dec. 14 $364 $345.0
    Dec. 7 $362 $345.6
    Nov. 30 $360 $340.5
    Nov. 23 $355 $318.6 January 2013
    Nov. 16 $352 $324.0
    Nov. 9 $347 $314.0
    Nov. 2 $339 $319.0
    Oct. 26 $328 $302.5
    Oct. 19 $320 $302.8
    Oct. 12 $316 $283.4
    Oct. 5 $319 $274.6
    Sept. 28 $323 $271.2
    Sept. 21 $329 $277.9 November 12
    Sept. 14 $334 $289.0
    Sept. 7 $341 $286.0
    Aug. 31 $342 $287.6
    Aug. 24 $342 $292.7
    Aug. 17 $340 $308.7
    Aug. 10 $334 $293.2
    Aug .3 $330 $286.4
    July 27 $327 $282.0
    July 20 $322 $283.8
    July 13 $319 $285.0 September 2012
    July 6 $316 $288.8
    June 29 $318 $275.0
    June 22 $325 $270.6
    June 15 $334 $276.3
    June 8 $341 $283.5
    June 1 $343 $281.0
    May 25 $344 $287.9 July 2012
    May 18 $343 $283.1
    May 11 $337 $296.5
    May 4 $329 $291.0
    April 27 $316 $275.9
    April 20 $302 $268.7
    April 13 $297 $266.9
    April 6 $296 $266.9
    March 30 $298 $261.0
    March 23 $301 $255.0 May 2012
    March 16 $302 $269.3
    March 9 $297 $276.0
    March 2 $290 $270.7
    Feb. 24 $284 $266.9
    Feb. 17 $284 $262.0
    Feb. 10 $286 $274.1
    Feb. 3 $286 $252.9
    Jan. 27 $284 $240.0
    Jan. 20 $283 $241.2 March 2012
    Jan. 13 $279 $251.0
    Jan. 6 $273 $251.2
    2011
    Dec. 30 $270 $249.3
    Dec. 23 $269 $241.0
    Dec. 16 $265 $232.0
    Dec. 9 $267 $232.9
    Dec. 2 $266 $219.6
    Nov. 25 $263 $234.8 January 2012
    Nov. 18 $260 $240.0
    Nov. 11 $254 $213.5
    Nov. 4 $252 $220.0
    Oct. 28 $255 $223.1
    Oct. 21 $260 $216.5
    Oct. 14 $262 $216.3
    Oct. 7 $263 $227.4
    Sept. 30 $265 $221.0
    Sept. 23 $267 $240.0 November 2011
    Sept. 16 $263 $244.2
    Sept. 9 $259 $261.0
    Sept. 2 $258 $244.0
    Aug. 26 $257 $226.2
    Aug. 19 $262 $217.5
    Aug. 12 $267 $226.1
    Aug. 5 $272 $224.5
    July 29 $273 $255.0
    July 22 $271 $263.1 September 2011
    July 15 $269 $258.0
    July 8 $266 $242.0
    July 1 $264 $244.9
    June 24 $262 $234.0
    June 17 $262 $219.9
    June 10 $262 $228.0
    June 3 $261 $231.0
    May 27 $259 $241.5
    May 20 $257 $231.9 July 2011
    May 13 $259 $209.7
    May 6 $262 $231.0
    April 29 $264 $232.5
    April 22 $269 $231.0
    April 15 $274 $242.0
    April 8 $281 $272.1
    April 1 $287 $303.4
    March 25 $291 $313.1
    March 18 $293 $312.7 May 2011
    March 11 $296 $285.0
    March 4 $295 $297.1
    Feb. 25 $297 $289.1
    Feb. 18 $296 $304.9
    Feb. 11 $293 $313.5
    Feb. 4 $297 $300.0
    Jan. 28 $303 $309.3
    Jan. 21 $305 $303.4
    Jan. 14 $305 $304.2 Mar 2011
    Jan. 7 $301 $308.0
    2010
    Dec. 30 $293 $311.5
    Dec. 23 $288 $307.0
    Dec. 17 $281 $288.5
    Dec. 10 $275 $269.5
    Dec. 3 $273 $252.0
    Nov. 24 $277 $247.7
    Nov. 19 $278 $262.1 Jan 2011
    Nov. 12 $274 $266.0
    Nov. 5 $269 $267.0
    Oct. 29 $260 $247.0
    Oct. 22 $257 $241.2
    Oct. 15 $253 $253.0
    Oct. 8 $248 $223.0
    October 1 $251 $227.0
    Sept. 24 $251 $230.5
    Sept. 17 $250 $217.8 Nov 2010
    Sept. 10 $249 $222.6
    Sept. 3 $248 $207.5
    Aug. 27 $247 $215.6
    Aug. 20 $244 $215.7
    Aug. 13 $242 $199.9
    Aug. 6 $247 $206.5
    July 30 $250 $201.5
    July 23 $253 $209.0 Sept 2010
    July 16 $255 $198.0
    July 9 $251 $202.0
    July 2 $248 $205.0
    June 25 $247 $182.0
    June 18 $257 $194.2
    June 11 $272 $209.2
    June 4 $291 $232.0
    May 28 $305 $225.5
    May 21 $325 $236.0 July 2010
    May 14 $344 $270.0
    May 7 $358 $275.0
    April 30 $367 $301.2
    April 23 $365 $325.0
    April 16 $353 $305.0
    April 9 $342 $294.7
    April 2 $328 $287.0
    March 26 $319 $291.3
    March 19 $312 $281.5 May 2010
    March 12 $307 $271.4
    March 5 $303 $258.0
    Feb. 26 $311 $253.6
    Feb. 19 $317 $270.0
    Feb. 12 $314 $262.5
    Feb. 5 $305 $279.0
    Jan. 29 $284 $238.7
    Jan. 22 $274 $248.0 Mar. 2010
    Jan. 15 $262 $226.0
    Jan. 8 $251 $206.5
    Jan. 1 $248 $203.5
    2009
    Dec. 25 $249 $209.7
    Dec. 18 $250 $211.0

    Dec. 11
    $253 $214.8
    Dec. 4 $254 $228.5
    November 27 $250 $236.2
    November 20 $248 $229.1 Jan. 2010
    November 13 $241 $194.0
    November 6 $239 $188.5
    October 30 $238 $184.9
    October 23 $238 $174.5
    October 16 $236 $180.4
    October 9 $231 $164.8
    October 2 $232 $171.7
    September 25 $234 $173.9
    September 18 $235 $182.0 Nov. 2009
    September 11 $236 $175.0
    September 4 $237 $172.8
    August 28 $239 $172.1
    August 21 $241 $183.9
    August 14 $238 $195.9
    August 7 $236 $205.2
    July 31 $235 $197.1
    July 24 $232 $191.5
    July 17 $238 $186.4 Sept 2009
    July 10 $242 $178.0
    July 2 $245 $188.8
    June 26 $241 $198.0
    June 19 $229 $212.0
    June 12 $213 $196.3
    June 5 $203 $211.0
    May 29 $196 $193.6
    May 22 $196 $172.8 July 2009
    May 15 $198 $153.0
    May 8 $200 $156.2
    May 1 $206 $161.0
    April 24 $210 $177.0
    April 17 $212 $180.0
    April 10 $208 $185.1
    April 3 $202 $180.7
    March 27 $196 $176.4
    March 20 $192 $167.5 May 2009
    March 13 $193 $144.0
    March 6 $198 $150.0
    February 27 $197 $149.0
    February 20 $199 $150.9
    February 13 $200 $152.3
    February 6 $199 $165.3
    January 30 $190 $138.1
    January 23 $193 $157.8 Mar 2009
    January 16 $197 $142.1
    January 9 $203 $161.2
    2008
    December 31 $207 $172.5
    December 26 $209 $175.5
    December 19 $210 $176.5
    December 12 $213 $171.1
    December 5 $221 $178.9
    November 26 $225 $197.5
    November 21 $226 $197.6 Jan 2009
    November 14 $224 $183.4
    November 7 $221 $186.7
    October 31 $220 $192.2
    October 24 $225 $178.8
    October 17 $232 $195.3
    October 10 $240 $188.2
    October 3 $252 $196.4
    September 26 $260 $211.3
    September 19 $268 $213.5 Nov 2008
    September 12 $276 $247.0
    September 5 $283 $252.5
    August 29 $285 $254.8
    August 22 $285 $264.5
    August 15 $282 $268.8
    August 8 $277 $256.0
    August 1 $273 $254.8
    July 25 $270 $252.7
    July 18 $267 $245.5 Sept 2008
    July 11 $264 $253.7
    July 3 $262 $241.7
    June 27 $262 $238.9
    June 20 $265 $252.1
    June 13 $269 $241.5
    June 6 $275 $241.9
    May 30 $281 $248.9
    May 23 $284 $255.5 July 2008
    May 16 $283 $224.1
    May 9 $277 $229.0
    May 2 $270 $209.4
    April 25 $262 $213.0
    April 18 $255 $219.0
    April 11 $247 $235.7
    April 4 $239 $221.3
    March 28 $238 $223.3
    March 21 $238 $225.6 May 2008
    March 14 $238 $185.9
    March 7 $241 $200.1
    February 29 $243 $219.7
    February 22 $243 $212.9
    February 15 $247 $222.8
    February 8 $244 $227.8
    February 1 $238 $216.4
    January 25 $243 $225.0
    January 18 $248 $227.5 Mar 2008
    January 11 $256 $211.2
    January 4 $262 $231.3
    2007
    December 28 $264 $236.5
    December 21 $265 $240.7
    December 14 $268 $246.0
    December 7 $269 $244.4
    November 30 $270 $254.3
    November 23 $268 $255.8 Jan 2008
    November 16 $264 $229.1
    November 9 $255 $233.3
    November 2 $254 $234.5
    October 26 $257 $224.5
    October 19 $261 $227.8
    October 12 $266 $238.0
    October 5 $269 $242.5
    September 28 $271 $242.3 Nov 2007
    September 21 $274 $238.9
    September 14 $278 $233.9
    September 7 $282 $250.9
    August 31 $285 $259.7
    August 24 $290 $262.5
    August 17 $293 $274.5
    August 10 $290 $282.2
    August 3 $289 $282.2
    July 27 $292 $282.0
    July 20 $298 $293.5 Sept 2007
    July 13 $306 $276.0
    July 6 $311 $284.6
    June 29 $311 $280.5
    June 22 $311 $283.4
    June 15 $304 $296.6
    June 8 $297 $279.2
    June 1 $295 $277.8
    May 25 $291 $266.2
    May 18 $286 $263.0 July 2007
    May 11 $280 $227.6
    May 4 $283 $230.4
    April 27 $288 $239.0
    April 20 $291 $240.5
    April 13 $288 $248.8
    April 6 $281 $255.7
    March 30 $274 $241.2
    March 23 $278 $246.2 May 2007
    March 16 $283 $230.5
    March 9 $286 $245.0
    March 2 $290 $248.8
    Feb. 23 $292 $269.5
    Feb. 16 $288 $273.6
    Feb. 9 $284 $262.6
    Feb. 2 $282 $255.7
    Jan. 26 $285 $260.0
    Jan. 19 $293 $272.3 Mar 2007
    Jan. 12 $302 $262.5
    Jan. 5 $299 $267.0
    2006
    Dec. 29 $296 $268.3
    Dec. 22 $293 $268.7
    Dec. 15 $285 $264.8
    Dec. 8 $276 $255.1
    Dec. 1 $278 $266.6
    Nov. 22 $279 $262.3
    Nov. 17 $278 $268.5 Jan 07 contract
    Nov. 10 $269 $233.5
    Nov. 3 $273 $237.6
    Oct. 27 $280 $243.0
    Oct. 20 $284 $247.0
    Oct.13 $280 $257.7
    Oct. 6 $269 $234.5
    Sept. 29 $274 $241.5
    Sept. 22 $286 $258.3 Nov 06 contract
    Sept. 15 $301 $275.9
    Sept. 8 $305 $277.9
    Sept. 1 $304 $288.5
    Aug. 25 $297 $277.0
    Aug.18 $290 $277.0
    Aug. 11 $291 $264.5
    Aug. 4 $296 $274.8
    July 28 $302 $275.1
    July 21 $308 $280.0 Sept 06 contract
    July 14 $317 $287.1
    July 7 $324 $303.8
    June 30 $326 $287.5
    June 23 $327 $302.3
    June 16 $326 $298.0
    June 9 $325 $297.0
    June 2 $325 $306.0
    May 26 $330 $311.5
    May 19 $345 $315.9 July 06 contract
    May 12 $364 $324.6
    May 5 $377 $334.0
    April 28 $377 $344.0
    April 21 $370 $338.9
    April 14 $362 $334.2
    April 7 $358 $325.6
    March 31 $358 $322.9
    March 24 $367 $321.2
    March 17 $373 $336.3 May 06 contract
    March 10 $373 $331.2
    March 3 $375 $338.6
    Febr. 24 $378 $336.7
    Feb. 17 $376 $339.7
    Feb. 10 $378 $340.5
    Feb. 3 $382 $365.5
    Jan. 27 $383 $363.6
    Jan. 20 $378 $359.3 Mar 06 contract
    Janu. 13 $385 $365.8
    Jan. 6 $380 $372.0
    2005
    Dec. 30 $373 $362.0
    Dec. 23 $367 $356.7
    Dec.16 $359 $335.9
    Dec. 9 $362 $323.8
    Dec. 2 $364 $336.5
    Nov. 25 $365 $329.0
    Nov. 18 $363 $352.0 Jan. 06 contract
    Nov. 11 $358 $317.0
    Nov. 4 $350 $315.2
    Oct. 28 $351 $304.4
    Oct. 21 $360 $295.5
    Oct. 14 $367 $283.5
    Oct. 7 $385 $289.3
    Sept. 30 $401 $308.3
    Sept. 23 $405 $316.0 Nov. 05 contract
    Sept. 16 $403 $334.8
    Sept. 9 $397 $314.0
    Sept. 2 $375 $318.7
    Aug. 26 $355 $269.5
    Aug. 19 $355 $282.5
    Aug. 12 $363 $292.7
    Aug. 5 $365 $301.1
    July 29 $373 $312.9
    July 22 $383 $322.8 Sept. 05 contract
    July 15 $381 $345.3
    July 8 $381 $333.8
    July 1 $385 $325.3
    June 24 $397 $334.3
    June 17 $398 $335.3
    June 10 $413 $347.0
    June 3 $412 $360.6
    May 27 $404 $353.1
    May 20 $391 $357.3 July 05 contract
    May 13 $374 $347.4
    May 6 $376 $332.0
    April 29 $388 $351.3
    April 22 $402 $362.0
    April 15 $408 $377.3
    April 8 $417 $386.2
    April 1 $423 $400.7
    March 25 $420 $393.8
    March 18 $420 $410.5 May 05 contract
    March 11 $420 $395.0
    March 4 $428 $398.3
    Feb. 25 $427 $404.1
    Feb. 18 $426 $388.1
    Feb. 11 $422 $405.7
    Feb. 4 $404 $405.0
    Jan. 28 $384 $378.5 Mar 05 contract
    Jan. 21 $382 $371.3
    Jan. 14 $377 $344.5
    Jan. 7 $383 $354.4
    2004
    Dec. 31 $380 $353.5
    Dec. 23 $376 $343.3
    Dec. 17 $374 $324.3
    Dec. 10 $379 $321.1
    Dec. 3 $373 $347.0
    Nov. 24 $361 $327.7
    Nov. 19 $357 $334.3 Jan. 05 contract
    Nov. 12 $348 $300.5
    Nov. 5 $355 $292.8
    Oct. 29 $358 $312.5
    Oct. 22 $365 $397.8
    Oct. 15 $378 $300.0
    Oct. 8 $392 $324.1
    Oct. 1 $398 $336.2
    Sept. 24 $407 $347.5
    Sept. 17 $431 $363.1 Nov. 04 contract
    Sept. 10 $458 $425.0
    Sept. 3 $467 $455.5
    Aug. 27 $473 $435.3
    Aug. 20 $473 $442.0
    Aug. 13 $474 $403.5
    Aug. 6 $472 $431.3
    July 30 $460 $431.3
    July 23 $440 $421.0
    July 16 $419 $391.4 Sep. 04 contract
    July 9 $405 $389.9
    July 2 $405 $378.0
    June 25 $409 $380.6
    June 18 $419 $378.1
    June 11 $426 $389.8
    June 4 $436 $393.4
    May 28 $443 $397.5
    May 21 $457 $396.6 Jul. 04 contract
    May 14 $463 $455.6
    May 7 $460 $446.9
    April 30 $451 $428.1
    April 23 $446 $404.0
    April 16 $439 $413.4
    April 9 $420 $399.3
    April 2 $398 $391.1
    March 26 $377 $371.1
    March 19 $371 $355.2 May 04 contract
    March 12 $386 $365.5
    March 5 $392 $383.0
    Feb. 27 $389 $375.0
    Feb. 20 $384 $380.5
    Feb. 13 $374 $384.7
    Feb. 6 $356 $354.5
    Jan. 30 $352 $333.3
    Jan. 23 $354 $361.0 Mar. 04 contract
    Jan. 16 $344 $327.3
    Jan. 9 $334 $332.9

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    lauan plywood was 640 in 0-8 it is now at 530n .
    osb used for roofing and structural to replace plywood was 201 in 2008 close the year at 417 and drop to 219 this year .

    http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=plywood...

    Want to know the prices check the stock market .
    I do not see 3x price increase to the contrary free fall due to a housing market which is not happening and crisis in asia combine it with Russian crisis where a lot of plywood come from .

    Get the facts

    Comment by Joel Rambaud — July 23, 2014 @ 11:29 am

  17. Joel, nobody wants to read all this B.S. please no more cut an paste.

    Comment by John P. — July 23, 2014 @ 5:01 pm

  18. John truth hurt ? These are fact not some dream or words put out by someone not fully informed .
    Don’t hide behind nickname

    Comment by Joel Rambaud — July 23, 2014 @ 7:10 pm

  19. Joel, my name is John Piziali and anyone who has read this blog knows who I am. Truth doesn’t hurt and like I said before, you don’t need to impress us with how much B.S. you can cut and paste onto this site. We are not here to read your paragraphs, keep it simple because some of us are just simple people like me. Look up the word concise. Read it and follow it.

    Comment by John P. — July 23, 2014 @ 7:26 pm

  20. Thanks John ,
    it is not B.S. it is actually anti BS toward the bean counters which every year raise the price index for one reason or another , they all say cost go up but cannot justify it ,
    I sincerely apologize if this was interpreted as “spam” it is more a tool for anyone to offer a valid argument against raising cost as most of them are simply based on waste {Alameda Power and Telecom several hundred of millions of our taxes something only one person talked about }
    Greed to satisfy their ego and quarterly profit , at the expense of the community that would be the Alameda point .
    I do not know if you are a Homeowner , should you be during the last recession / depression housing market in California took an 80% dive , Alameda did not even come close .
    These bungalow in the silicone valley which went for over million dollar crashed down to the price of a trailer.
    My intentions were simply to rub it in the face of peoples in charge so they can justify their salaries
    as well as the people selling it as they are gouging the consumer .

    Alameda”s finest want to set all prices in ligne with San Francisco Francisco , Did it ever occur to them that all the largest Employer left the City for the East bay and or out of State , it is a fact .We are simply pricing ourselves out of the market , in the process setting ground for another crash .

    Please do not believe me , simply drive around and ask yourself , hey where did that factory go , there used to be this and that here wonder where they moved .
    Raising cost have not only eliminated them , they are also the single most important factor in raising the crime rate , Sincerely if we have an 1989 quake today in Oakland things will turn up very differently , but somewhere someone profited from the demise of these business , the Edge funds . As for instance it is no one else who drove out out of business Colombo bakery , Wonder bread , they used to ship across the Country .
    That was positive cash flow and jobs
    Not a single Elected official raised voice .

    Comment by joel Rambaud — July 24, 2014 @ 9:00 am


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