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December 9, 2013

Don’t know what a slide rule is for

Filed under: Alameda, School — Lauren Do @ 6:09 am

The other day someone — in response to a post on the current pressures facing students these days and the availability of AP tests — decided to cherry pick data about Alameda Unified School District students as though the framing of the data was somehow meaningful out of context.    I pointed out that the commenter didn’t seem to understand how the data was structured and how meaningless it was to point to a subject (Algebra I) pull out only the data for High School student and say “see, see how AUSD is failing children!”   Because anyone who has been to school in the last 20 year or have had children attend school in the last 20 years would know that Algebra I is a subject that is completed by most students in middle school.   If there are students being tested at the High School level then they are already struggling and that is reflected in the scores.

So I thought I would provide a point of comparison for Alameda schools on a subject that has been in the news lately: Algebra II.   For those following, the Texas Board of Education recently voted to eliminate the Algebra II requirement for students that aren’t choosing some sort of science, math or tech “endorsement” upon graduation:

Under the agreement, which was approved on a 14-1 vote, only students who choose the STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) “endorsement” for graduation would be required to take Algebra II.

Students opting for any of the other four endorsements — arts and humanities, business and industry, public services and multidisciplinary studies — would not have to take the course unless they seek a diploma with “distinguished achievement.” Under the original proposal, all students in the five graduation paths would have had to take Algebra II.

Students in the “foundation” — or minimum — plan would not have to take the course. That plan is generally aimed at students planning to enter the workforce or a training program upon graduation.

And even with the many cuts in the types of tests being taken in Texas the students there are still failing:

The Legislature scuttled 10 of the state’s 15 high school end-of-course exams that students must pass to graduate. But for many students, test results from this fall indicate that might not have been enough.

State lawmakers generally left the easier tests in place. They eliminated several exams that probably would have seen high failure rates. Those included Algebra II, geometry, English III, chemistry, physics, geography and world history.

The difficulties are alarming for educators because of the low passing standards set for the tests’ initial years.

Anyway, Algebra II.   I think it’s taken somewhere in 10th or 11th grade.  I’m using the numbers from Piedmont Unified as a comparison since it is  widely recognized as a “good ” school district.   So here are Piedmont’s Algebra II numbers:

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And Alameda’s

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As you can see the results are nearly identical for the “good” school district and Alameda’s.   In fact Piedmont’s students who completed the course in 11th grade fared much worse than Alameda’s students.

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37 Comments

  1. (As you can see the results are nearly identical for the “good” school district and Alameda’s. In fact Piedmont’s students who completed the course in 11th grade fared much worse than Alameda’s students.)

    But a B Student average is Equal to D Student average in all the rest…

    Unless Real Math Changed in Last 20 years.

    Students Scoring proficient or Higher —Piedmont Vs Alameda

    Chemistry – Piedmont 76%——- Alameda 40%————–36% Difference

    Biology – Piedmont 70% ——– Alameda 59%—————11% Difference

    Life Science – Piedmont 84% — Alameda 64%—————-20% Difference

    US History – Piedmont 88%—– Alameda 60%————— 28% Difference

    World History – Piedmont 84%– Alameda 61%—————-23% Difference

    Earth Science – Piedmont 75%— Alameda 67%————–8% Difference

    English ——— Piedmont 85% – Alameda 65%—————20% Difference

    Comment by Just about the Same...Slippery Slide Rule — December 9, 2013 @ 7:38 am

  2. Earth Science Numbers are Wrong…….Should be 56 % for Alameda and 19% Difference.

    Comment by Just about the Same...Slippery Slide Rule — December 9, 2013 @ 7:48 am

  3. Piedmont – Number of students tested = 1991
    Piedmont – Number of Socio Economic Disadvantaged = 0
    Piedmont – Average Parent Education Level = 4.63

    Alameda – Number of student tested = 6514
    Alameda – Number of Socio Economic Disadvantaged = 2252
    Alameda – Average Parent Education Level = 3.43

    Average Parent Education Level: The average of all responses where “1” represents “Not a high school graduate” and “5” represents “Graduate school.”

    Comment by Mike McMahon (@MikeMcMahonAUSD) — December 9, 2013 @ 7:48 am

  4. Oh would you look at that. Piedmont Unified also didn’t make AYP either. Or in 2012 either. Good thing they don’t take any federal dollars otherwise they might be lumped with all the “bad” schools and be stuck in Program Improvement.

    Comment by Lauren Do — December 9, 2013 @ 8:05 am

  5. Friends who live in Piedmont were fostering a niece who had special needs. The Piedmont schools did not let her take the tests. Her special needs were not profound but she did have some learning difficulties associated with neglect. Nevertheless she was not allowed to be tested with the other high schoolers. This was some years ago and I don’t know if this practice continues, but it certainly could skew results. Also the fact that they tested zero kids with socio economic disadvantages would skew the results. If parents have resources to paid tutors, enrichment programs/lessons/activities, travel, etc. their kids are more likely to be testing well and the District does not have to provide for kids who come to school with deficits that have to be overcome. As former warden Duffy of San Quentin said “I could have a much nicer prision if I just had a better class of prisioner.” So all things are relative.

    AUSD is a “low wealth” district, that is we have less money to work with than many districts due to State formulas. Yet we have a large number of kids with educational needs greater than usual. Piedmont always passes its bonds and has fabulous private fund raising for its schools. So we are not really talking apples to apples here and it looks like the AUSD is doing pretty well, all things considering.

    Comment by Kate Quick,. — December 9, 2013 @ 8:24 am

  6. I think you have missed the whole point……..You have 40 % of your Students not making it or Grasping the subjects …..they demonstrate a partial and rudimentary understanding of the knowledge and skills measured by this assessment, at this grade, in this content area.

    or

    Far below / below basic: This level represents a serious lack of performance. Students demonstrate little or a flawed understanding of the knowledge and skills measured by this assessment, at this grade, in this content area.

    I know this is not a problem and deserves Honor Roll Status……..

    Lets start the Excuse list for the Thousands of Students Not Getting it…..

    Mike Picks Socio Economic Disadvantaged – Average Parent Education Level

    Lauren goes with Piedmont Did not pass AYP

    American Indian School High has 80% Socio Economic Disadvantaged
    and average over 85% Proficient and above on Most subjects tested.

    I will go with you guys and quit fighting the flow…….Make Excuses and not really worry about 3000 + kids in our schools that seem to be having tough time…..Just give raises and focus on our pay and everyone happy….

    Comment by Just about the Same...Slippery Slide Rule — December 9, 2013 @ 8:40 am

  7. Sounds like a school that all schools should strive toward:

    The schools’ own website credits a back-to-basics curriculum that emphasizes hard work and discipline and aims squarely at the curriculum covered by standardized tests.

    The schools offer no computers, music or arts, though some elements of art are incorporated into programs, the website says. For physical education, there is only running and stretching.

    Cash rewards are given to students and staff for “hard work, academic performance, and reinforcing the school’s mission statement and credo. ”

    No computers, no art, no music, no P.E., teaching directly “to the test” and cash for scores. How is this admirable?

    Comment by Lauren Do — December 9, 2013 @ 9:02 am

  8. Average Parent Education level

    Graduate School/Post Graduate – California Standards Test Scores

    Alameda Students whose parents were Graduate or Post Graduate Scored lower than American Indian School High who have low Average Parent Education and are Socio Ecomic Disadvantaged.

    Churchlady those are a few Beauties,,,

    I will add those to my excuse list…I am joining your team…

    Comment by Just about the Same...Slippery Slide Rule — December 9, 2013 @ 9:19 am

  9. should we compare texas school and alameda school we should also look closer at drop out rate , from my understanding they beat Alameda 2-1
    as far as sliding ruler or ruler I challenge 3/4 in this post to know how to use it , mine was a wooden one and did the job .
    data can always be interpreted at abyone wish …

    Comment by mijoka — December 9, 2013 @ 9:22 am

  10. AIMS incorporates arts into the core curriculum. AIMS students create posters, projects and presentations as well as draft essays and stories. AIPHS high school students flex their creative skills in drama class, which also increases their presentational skills.

    Once AIMS students reach their junior and senior years in high school, they also have the opportunity to take a digital arts class. They also get to take a class that ensures their skills in basic computer programs commonly used in college. Think of it this way: it’s great if students can create a web page with copies of their resumes. But if those resumes are riddled with misspellings, or if those resumes don’t indicate that they went to great colleges, they’ll never get the jobs that they want.

    When it comes to sports, AIMS is concerned about the health and wellbeing of the students. Just like how their academic foundations are strengthened, their athletic foundations are strengthened as well. You can’t be a productive member of a sports team without working on your athletic ability. Strength, endurance, and flexibility are important aspects of athleticism. But it is also important to understand the significance of dedication, hard work, and discipline. The AIMS physical education program focuses on these aspects. As AIMS students get older, they will receive more opportunities to try additional activities.

    The California Teachers Association strongly opposes “No Child Left Behind” policy, but why does American Indian support it?

    NCLB is the greatest public education legislation that has ever been passed for the sake of minorities. In Brown Vs. the Board of Education–the 1954 Supreme Court ruling that outlawed racial segregation in public schools–let students of all races sit in the same classroom. However, there was no accountability in order to confirm that minorities were receiving a good education. NCLB ensures that Black, American Indian, Hispanic, handicapped, and special education students are provided the opportunity to compete with everybody else. If a public school doesn’t provide that kind of education, the state can close that school down. Before, a school’s funding would stop if they didn’t let minorities into their schoolhouse. It took fifty years for public education to do something more. Blacks, American Indians, and Hispanics have been standing around in public schools, being dumbed down for fifty long years. NCLB says all students will get an education, or another organization will take over. There needs to be true equality in modern schools. NCLB is getting education there.

    Good Ones MI I will add those to my List.

    I am joining the Team.

    Comment by Just about the Same...Slippery Slide Rule — December 9, 2013 @ 9:48 am

  11. I was not making any excuses for our test scores. I was trying to say that comparisons with other districts cannot be made if all things are not equal. I don’t think “doing pretty well, considering” is where we want to be at all. We want and need excellence for all our students. That means that we need to get behind our schools more; support better funding, raise more money for enrichment and smaller class sizes, which do contribute to excellence, and stop dumping on our teachers who work long hours for not great pay and slim benefits. When the next bond comes up, those who are so concerned about the test scores will be expressing the same mantra “Too much administration, teachers are bad/lazy/overpaid, last bond did not cure all ills, so why give them more; I don’t have kids in school so why should I pay for education?” Instead of that, think about what you can do to better finance the schools, volunteer as a tutor/mentor/classroom aide, contribute by adopting a classroom, work with the PTA to make the schools a better learning environment. Note I am not advocating ‘just throw money at it”, but caring about the schools and putting yourself into the picture to make them better. It is easy to criticize but harder to be an effective problem solver.

    Comment by Kate Quick,. — December 9, 2013 @ 9:57 am

  12. Cherry picking:

    Of course the school is skimming. I’m stunned one of the school’s many detractors hasn’t pointed out that American Indian Public Charter High School doesn’t offer algebra.

    So the school is just randomly accepting all the students who walk in the door and they all just happen to have passed algebra already?

    In the entire state, economically disadvantaged or not, 68% more freshmen take algebra than take geometry. Black disadvantaged freshmen are over three times more likely to be taking algebra than geometry; Hispanic disadvantaged freshmen over twice as likely. And for all these years, AIPCHS has just gotten lucky that everyone they accepted, in an open door policy without a lottery, has taken algebra already?

    Anyone who believes that is ignorant.

    And Attrition:

    So I know that Coulson, Stossel and the rest of the bleaters , faced with the accusation that they have egregiously and probably willfully misrepresented AIPC’s achievement, will say something to the effect of “So what? Who cares if they skimming the cream? Who cares if their attrition rate is 60-70%? The bright kids of Oakland need to be saved from the hell of their local schools. Whatever works.

    AIPCS achieved that excellence not by teaching low ability kids to succeed, but by skimming based on ability and ethnicity—and then, of course, bragged about their outstanding outcomes while slamming the local public schools.

    Comment by Lauren Do — December 9, 2013 @ 9:59 am

  13. # 11

    You make my point even Clearer……. It is easy to criticize but harder to be an effective problem solver.

    If your being awarded Honor Roll Status and saying you are own Par with a Good School there is really NO Problem ……….So they move on to other topics and Do NOT focus on the 40% getting run over by School Bus.

    You Solve what you Focus on…….Only thing I see Focused on is Administrative Raises and Teachers and Employees….New Offices for Administrators……Now new Bond Measure…….Some day it will go back to focusing on the Kids and their needs…….We have gutted every dime going directly to them……Penny on the Dollar at best…..

    I am joining your team……. It is a lovefest now at Bayport.

    I will add that to Excuse List Lauren…… Fabulous work.

    Comment by Just about the Same...Slippery Slide Rule — December 9, 2013 @ 10:31 am

  14. The naysayers want everyone to believe that things are so simple. Life can be explained in simple bites. They love to sling their “slippery” zings.

    However Life is not simple. And school systems are not simple as well. There are many factors –however thats not simple so who cares?

    Typing away and slamming people, kids, poor people, single parent families is so darn rewarding. Nice simple story if that’s what one is looking for.

    Comment by SimpleSimonSimpleMyLifeIsPerfectSoPerfect — December 9, 2013 @ 12:24 pm

  15. You cannot look at statistics without looking at the overall population from which they have been drawn. Back in the “good old days” when “men were men” and educational standards were sterling (ahem), the scores may have been better because the kids who did not “take to book learnin'” were already working full-time and out of the mix by the time they reached high school age. Today, society insists that everyone should be in AP classes and college bound or they are considered to be “losers.” We have little or no respect for blue collar labor. In the meantime, legions of kids have had their self-esteem shattered and hopelessly turn to bad choices. I don’t have a solution but I do know that the current system (not just AUSD but throughout the nation) is badly broken and caught up in false values and short-sighted outcomes. For many kids, school is now something to survive, an ordeal rather than an asset. The best thing a parent can do is to reassure their kids that there are many paths to success and happiness and everyone has his or her own timeline wherein these things can be achieved, if they truly want them.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — December 9, 2013 @ 1:12 pm

  16. 15

    kinda what I posted Yesterday
    —————————————————————————————————-

    We have lost our long term objective which is to educate and have students learn.

    The AUSD Districts Policy seems to be punishing and pushing students to next levels without the students getting real knowledge and learning. The Test Scores reveal this if you really examine.

    Maybe a better system is you keep redoing the level til the student is happy with their performance and tests. It turns out that kids actually learn better this way. In fact there is a lot of Scientific Research from the past couple of years showing that we Learn More by taking Tests then we do by studying because the Tests make us examine what we don’t know and see what our performance really is, so not only does it help us learn more, but also takes the punishment out of School. It will also probably reduce the emotional stress and pressure being put on students for failing and knowing they are moving up without really learning.

    Posting Honor Roll Status and excuses that only 27% of California Schools passed in a State that Ranks 48th or 49th out of 50 in Student Performance just delays the District from addressing the Real issues of our Failure to have students learn and not focusing on the problem and coming up with real solutions.
    It does everyone a great disservice.
    Comment by Whats important is were on the Honor Roll — December 8, 2013

    Comment by Just about the Same...Slippery Slide Rule — December 9, 2013 @ 2:51 pm

  17. 15. I agree. We do not prepare students to make a living. We do not offer skills that allow choices. Not every student needs or wants to go to college. One size does not fit all, high or low test scores do not determine one’s success in life.

    Comment by Cturner — December 10, 2013 @ 10:21 pm

  18. Is the System really Broken? This post explores the purpose of public education: http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/engagement_and_reform/2013/12/the_system_isnt_broken.html

    Comment by Mike McMahon (@MikeMcMahonAUSD) — December 11, 2013 @ 7:54 am

  19. on the one hand it’s a shame that classes like wood shop are not available not just as job training but allowing kids to explore and develop other practical skills beyond academics. But as far as real job training it may be a bit of nostalgic fantasy that our high schools are the right place. I am not familiar with ASTI or how it works , but I went to Laney which used to be called Laney Trade school. A friend of our son who bounced from ACLC to Alameda High to Encinal and who was talking about the military has settled into auto mechanics at College of Alameda. I always thought this boy was way smart and had a certain adult maturity when talking to him, but he just couldn’t get traction in academics. Auto mechanics these days involves a lot of computer work.

    As far as future jobs and it’s hard to know. Seems like we will have more and more jobs in the tech sector and then service jobs for people catering to such professionals. Amazon’s warehouse jobs are “new jobs” but their automation means relatively few of them. I started in construction as a laborer in 1973, but I could not trace the same trajectory today. The construction industry in California appears to be entirely dependent on skilled immigrant labor. I can’t tell who among the crews who show up may or may not be legal even if the company itself is legal licensed outfit with a workman’s comp for at least some of it’s core crew. But Hispanic laborers are reliable and skilled and many of the subs I end up using are Hispanic contractors with all Hispanic crews. Not complaining, just saying that’s reality.

    “Americans are getting great deals online, and they like the convenience. But there’s a hidden price. With the growth of online retailing, fewer Americans will have jobs in bricks-and-mortar retail stores.”

    “To put this in some perspective you need to know that retail jobs have been the fastest growing of all job categories since the recession ended in 2009. But given the rapid growth of online retailing, that trend can’t possibly last. What will Americans do when online sales take over? ”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/the-true-price-of-great-h_b_4374781.html

    Comment by MI — December 11, 2013 @ 9:45 am

  20. this is a tangent based on 19. Not about education or jobs, but about region being dominated by tech economy. I hope Alameda had a net economic gain from hosting Atemis Racing.

    http://valleywag.gawker.com/larry-ellisons-billionaire-yacht-race-cost-san-francis-1480392429/@sambiddle

    Comment by MI — December 11, 2013 @ 9:55 am

  21. hey Lauren, apologies for the hi-jack of this thread, but I just couldn’t resist. This is relevant to education in terms of preparing kids for the new economy, whatever that is. Tis the season! http://valleywag.gawker.com/happy-holidays-startup-ceo-complains-sf-is-full-of-hum-1481067192/@sambiddle

    Comment by MI — December 11, 2013 @ 10:02 am

  22. Last Thursday night the police had a helicopter up looking for a crime suspect around Park and Eagle. Lots of people were wondering what was going on. A well known, recently retired teacher posted a comment about that on Facebook. Lots of people saw the comment and said nothing.

    This teacher was part of the group of activists that spent a fair amount of time and energy over the past two years helping the teachers union with a campaign of nasty attacks fueled by false and misleading statements, all aimed to increase and direct anger at the school district’s staff and the school board.

    Maybe this teacher missed the news that the contract negotiations and school board elections have been over for quite a while. Here’s his Facebook comment about why the police helicopter might have been overhead: “Hopefully someone shot the school board and superintendent.”

    Not funny. Not OK.

    Comment by Words Matter — December 13, 2013 @ 4:59 pm

  23. 19)

    (“Americans are getting great deals online, and they like the convenience. But there’s a hidden price. With the growth of online retailing, fewer Americans will have jobs in bricks-and-mortar retail stores.”)

    You will be amazed at what is happening in China….

    22)

    That is so far out of line if a Teacher Really posted something like that…… But nothing surprises me after watching and witnessing the Teachers and AEA actions at the School Board Meetings….and Passing out the Coal and Ranting like lunatics…..Lost a lot of respect for Teachers…….Pretty Sad….

    School is for the Kids and all the attention and focus seems to be on the Adults and whats in it for them….Hopefully things will get turned around.

    Comment by Just about the Same...Slippery Slide Rule — December 13, 2013 @ 7:30 pm

  24. Whats going on in China……. the video above in wrong one……..

    Comment by Just about the Same...Slippery Slide Rule — December 13, 2013 @ 7:33 pm

  25. Its posting wrong video………But You can look up video on LeWeb

    Hugo Barra, Vice President, Xiaomi Global & Loic Le Meur, LeWeb

    Unbelievable stuff going on…….Amazing

    Comment by Just about the Same...Slippery Slide Rule — December 13, 2013 @ 7:37 pm

  26. 25. if you could post it I’d watch it, which I always do if it’s not some stupid and insulting irrelevant video, but I’m not interested enough to go Google a talk by some corporate wizard pat himself on the back. so I’ll use my imagination. Let’s see, AMAZING stuff going on in China? How about coal fire and auto pollution so bad you literally can’t see across 4 lanes of traffic. Or how about Apple employees at Fox as so depressed by their work environment that they leap off the roof to their death….or Three Gorges Dam displacing over a million people….or capital punishment for political prisoners with added side benefit of human organ harvest? am I getting warm?

    Comment by MI — December 14, 2013 @ 9:32 am

  27. 22. gotta say, especially on the eve of Sandy Hook and in light of yesterday’s Colorado shooting those words seem particularly thoughtless and are in more than bad taste, and it’s good thing that person is retired which is probably the only reason they felt free to blow off steam in such a crass manner. But that brings up another point, why is it relevant to pass this along rather than let the incident die as it ought to? I’m not being an apologist for this person’s actions by any means, but what kind of high ground to you think you are craving out with anonymous vendetta ? In your own way you are as being as big of an A-hole for insisting on focus in your post, as was this other person, even if your remarks don’t rate as high on the Social Network Richter Scale of Offensive remarks.

    Comment by MI — December 14, 2013 @ 9:44 am

  28. 26 )

    (am I getting warm?)

    You be the Judge.

    Crash course on Chinese market (e-commerce, apps, mobiles etc.). You’ll be awestruck by the scale of the things.This is an interview of Hugo Barra (Vice President, Xiaomi Global and Ex-VP, Android @ Google) at LeWeb, 2013.

    Comment by Global Warming — December 14, 2013 @ 12:59 pm

  29. 28. “insane appetite for IPOs”. why am I not surprised? “amazing”? maybe, but for all the wrong reasons. O.K., I’ll be the judge, it’s F-ing scarey actually..

    the quality of this video is awful, but it gets better and it actually has some content ( China and Google). contrast and compare.

    here is a more comprehensive video interview with Lanier and much longer. I know I’ve posted links about this guy here before but I don’t think I linked video interviews. I dare you to read his entire book “Who Owns the Future?” and then get back to me . I’m in the middle of it. Video takes about 4 minutes to get through cordialities to the meat of the interview.

    Comment by MI — December 14, 2013 @ 1:50 pm

  30. BTW- Hugo is quite compelling, seems sincere and obviously very bright, but he must operate on one side of his brain or something. Still, it’s almost refreshing to listen to this compared to Bazos who by comparison is a megalomantical snake oils salesman, charming facade with Charlie Rose on 60 Minutes, but we’ve all heard about his office manners with underlings.

    Comment by MI — December 14, 2013 @ 2:11 pm

  31. apologies if I seem incessant, maybe I am. I just spent an hour listening to another interview with Lanier, which is really just a personal interview where many subjects of interest are touched upon. My mind is sort of blown. I think this dude is not just a nerd but a genius, though he would probably deflect that. Toward the end of this 53 plus minutes when asked about being an anarchism which to which he flatly objected, his response includes these words: “Shock for it’s own sake is a cheap trick and poor bet.”. I have to say that if you spend much time at all cruising internet videos, you owe it to yourself to make time for this because the content is so much richer than cute kittens, even the crow using a mayonnaise lid to sled in the snow which I received earlier. Relevant to this thread are minutes 17-22 and around 33, according to my notes.

    Comment by MI — December 14, 2013 @ 4:23 pm

  32. Don’t get all giggly with Lanier’s opinions, a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.

    Comment by Hugo — December 14, 2013 @ 6:01 pm

  33. On Facebook, Speaker #1 said “Hopefully someone shot the school board and superintendent.”

    Here in comment 22 Speaker #2 said it is not OK that Speaker #1 said that.

    Here in comment 27 Speaker #3 minimized Speaker #1’s comments as someone blowing off steam and suggested Speaker #2 is as big of an A-Hole as Speaker #1.

    What if Speaker #1 had been a fringe right wing nut who’d said “Hopefully someone shot Obama” and Speaker #2 had said *that* was not OK? Under those circumstances, should we minimize the seriousness of what Speaker #1 said as blowing off steam? Would Speaker #2 be as big of an A-Hole as Speaker #1?

    When people say terrible things like “”Hopefully someone shot the school board and superintendent.” is it really best for us to stay silent as bystanders and condone what they said?

    No.

    Comment by Words Matter — December 15, 2013 @ 11:02 am

  34. Imagine if a board member had said same about the union reps. Mark would be screaming & howling in protest, and he’d be right to do so. But it’s just “blowing off steam” if his ally does it….

    Comment by dave — December 16, 2013 @ 6:50 am

  35. I didn’t say either, that it somehow best to stay silent OR that the all words are O.K. as per free speech or something. I simply tried to put the act in context and the same for the post about it on this blog. I assume this leaked from this person’s “private” Facebook page, not posted to AEA Facebook? It’s speculative at best to suggest that “if” a board member had said same about union what I would have done “be screaming” etc. dave’s hypothetical is B.S. actually, nothing new there. IF that happened it would likely be same steam,same scenario for my reaction too, BUT that didn’t happen and if it had THAT person would be active elected representative which has entirely different connotations. The alleged evil doer here is retired and not active in an official capacity. My objection is about what is the purpose of stirring up shit about this lone person’s irresponsible comments is supposed to achieve, in terms of the climate of trust or distrust here in the district among the current active teachers, union, administration and community at large? “Words Count” is trying to stir up shit, but to what end? I contend it is sour grapes and keeping the well poisoned, and that doing it here with anonymous avatar is chicken shit, i.e a-hole behavior. And dave is here to pile on, dance on people’s heads etc. Because a single individual who is not beholden to any body, public, employer etc. said this, how exactly is broadcasting it as widely as possible supposed to help in terms of the greater picture of things? you should state exactly what you think we are supposed to take from this that has any constructive use. But there is none, is there? so one must conclude that you are blowing off steam over your frustration with the past, basically being petulant and vindictive. way to move forward.

    Comment by MI — December 18, 2013 @ 10:47 am

  36. 32. really? 32 is the “shock for it’s own sake, cheap trick,poor bet” I’m referring to, which seems to be your stock in trade. I am often no better, but posting Lanier was an attempt at a meaningful exchange and comparison. I can’t help but compare the content of Hugo’s interview to Lanier and I can’t help but come away feeling that Hugo, as bright as he may be, has a dangerously narrow focus and is not discussing all this amazing stuff in China win any historical context. He has his techie blinders on. Lanier attempts to propose what that context is but note that he is not an absolutist and he also f washed out of art school, didn’t graduate but has a long list of associate teaching gigs at a number of prestigious institutions despite having ZERO academic degrees.

    Comment by MI — December 18, 2013 @ 10:57 am

  37. 22. revisiting your comment for careful re-reading I pick out this line. “Maybe this teacher missed the news that the contract negotiations and school board elections have been over for quite a while. ” yeah, so maybe your point was like mine about relevance of your comments at this time. But I give you the upper hand on that point. In that context, I see your comment being truly about the horrendous offense of the FB post in the moment, so I apologize and retract classifying your post as a-hole act. But I STILL have a really hard time understanding what you think broadcasting it is supposed to accomplish in the here and now?

    Maybe leaving out this sentence would have helped. “This teacher was part of the group of activists that spent a fair amount of time and energy over the past two years helping the teachers union with a campaign of nasty attacks fueled by false and misleading statements, all aimed to increase and direct anger at the school district’s staff and the school board.” Subjective statement. Every aspect of that characterization has counter point. The district didn’t engage in mudslinging or juvenile antics, but “misinformation”, divisive tactics? that will be debated until hell freezes. Regardless of how awful this person’s remarks were I still take offense at your broad brush innuendo. I think an active teacher might justifiably face termination for doing this act. A judge has ruled on this very thing on personal FB pages.

    Comment by MI — December 18, 2013 @ 12:52 pm


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