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September 11, 2013

The concerning factor…

Filed under: Alameda, Alameda Landing, Business — Lauren Do @ 6:01 am

Ah, former City Council member Doug deHaan, how I have missed his foibles and antics on the dais.  But fortunately that just means he has time to go to things like Planning Board meetings and go way over his time limit rambling about businesses at Alameda Landing.

Overall it was pretty hilarious to watch Doug deHaan essentially decry Alameda Landing and Target when it was the City Council — the one that Doug deHaan sat on — that approved the Development Agreements that paved the way for, well, Target.

So a few things, during his comments he said that the Urban Decay Analysis that were commissioned — actually he didn’t say “Urban Decay Analysis” he just said “study” — said that building another grocery store would mean that Alameda was at its peak in grocery stores.   I’m not sure that is what the Urban Decay Analysis said since it mostly said, oh all of the grocery store in Alameda are pretty much overperforiming anyway and there’s only one grocery store serving the whole of the West End and 3-4 for the Central and East Ends so opening a Target and another grocery store will be fine.

But here was the best part was when Doug deHaan compared Target to Walmart and decried the wages as “next to nothing” and said they are all just “entry level jobs” and said that these people working these “not even entry level jobs” are lucky if they make $12 an hour.

First of all, when did Doug deHaan become such an advocate for the working class?

And then, really? How much are entry level jobs supposed to pay? I mean, the federal minimum wage is, what $7.25 an hour. The State of California is at $8.00 per hour. The City of San Francisco is at $10.55 per hour. I’m all for establishing a living wage that would make even these entry level jobs equitable, but I’m assuming that Doug deHaan sudden working man concern has less to do with overall wages for workers and more of a “I’m not a fan of Target even though I helped to bring it in” sort of position.

Oh, and all you Beverly’s shoppers, make sure you “waddle” when you are walking through the store because it is apparently so big that when you “waddle” through there, according to Doug deHaan you don’t run into people in Beverly’s. Because it’s sooooo big I guess that means we don’t need the Michael’s at Alameda Landing. I would say we don’t need the Michaels because they don’t sell fabric and Beverly’s fabric selection is so limited, but ladies craft store, they’re all the same amirite? I mean, why can’t you ladies just pick up all your crafting supplies at, like Paganos or something. Multiple hardware stores are a total must in Alameda, but this town isn’t big enough for two craft stores.

Anyway, seeing these rambling public comments makes me miss Doug deHaan on the City Council. But only a tiny bit.

I will add, although not Doug deHaan related but Planning Board Alameda Point Draft EIR related, Board Member Lorre Zuppan mentioned something about needing cars because you aren’t going to take a bike or a bus to buy furniture. This statement struck me, because it’s one that comes up all the time when the discussion around development and traffic arises. It’s one of those incredibly dismissive statements made by people in response to solutions like mitigation and getting people out of their cars, etc and so forth. Because of course, of course trying to schelp to Ikea and pick up a Poang chair on a bike is ridiculous. Although seriously, never say never people…

But yes, there are certain trips where a car is absolutely necessary, I don’t think that is under dispute. But a lot of trips can be made sans car if it is convenient. No one is saying that you can eradicate all car trips if you just put in bike lanes and add bus service, but you can help mitigate the impacts.

But let’s take this furniture shopping thing, for the most part, unless you are going to Ikea, you absolutely can take a bus or bike to buy furniture because of this little thing called delivery. When we bought our new mattress, I didn’t throw it on top of our car to schlep home, we had it delivered. When we bought our couch eons ago, it was delivered. When we bought our first non-Ikea dining room table, we had it delivered. So furniture shopping is absolutely possible on a bike or bus.


  1. As Dick Rutter once said: Just try schlepping a bag of fertilizer home on a bike or bus…[or something like that]. However, people living in Bayport don’t seem to have much of a yard, so maybe they cannot relate to gardening.
    You can buy some pretty large items at Target. Do they deliver?

    Comment by vigi — September 11, 2013 @ 9:35 am

  2. We’ve bought bags of soil on foot from Ploughshares and schlepped them home using a wagon. We’ve also purchased multiple trees from Ploughshares and brought them home using the same wagon.

    Comment by Lauren Do — September 11, 2013 @ 9:43 am

  3. 2. Look who just won Spangler Award for Virtue, Purity, and Green Living!

    Comment by Denise Shelton — September 11, 2013 @ 11:06 am

  4. Qualifications for winning the Spangler SHLEP award:


    Noun- Acronym for Secular Communist Humanist Liberal Evolutionist Progressive.

    Sometimes spelled SHLEPP, which is an acronym for Socialist Heathen Leftist Environmentalist Progressive Pagan.

    Comment by Jack Richard — September 11, 2013 @ 12:20 pm

  5. We’ve also done it, IN THE RAIN!

    Okay, not deliberately, it happened to rain as we got there, but still…

    Comment by Lauren Do — September 11, 2013 @ 1:09 pm

  6. Lauren, I think you and others are a bit too hard on Doug DeHaan. Yes he rambles and is sometimes speaks over his 3 minute time limit – so do many others who believe they have something important to say. He is a well meaning man who actually has always been an advocate for working class citizens. He walked the streets of the west end seeking the opinions of people he passed, especially about traffic concerns when 5000 homes were being considered for Alameda Point. The City Council may have passed plans for development at Alameda Landing, but that does not mean DeHaan agreed – you may recall his was often the lone dissenting vote on many issues. Any Alamedan who has put in as many volunteer hours to help his city as Doug DeHaan has, deserves at least more respect than you give him. Doug and other past city leaders who continue to maintain their interest in subjects that benefit our city deserve our gratitude, not our disdain. When one reaches Doug’s age, he should be given extra consideration for having wisdom gained from years of experience most Alamedans have not yet gained. Is your attitude towards him the same as you afford your grandparents?

    Comment by Nancy Hird — September 11, 2013 @ 1:35 pm

  7. Jack, I think I’m gonna change my tag to SCHLEPP, thank you. you got me to a TEE.
    Lauren, what did you do in the rain??

    Comment by John P. (L) — September 11, 2013 @ 4:12 pm

  8. John P. picked up large items on foot and carried them home without a car.

    Comment by Lauren Do — September 11, 2013 @ 4:21 pm

  9. Lauren the former owner of the south shore shopping center did a pretty extensive survey at their cost , to attract key tenants , the result was , and made public , Alameda does not have the customer base to support all these stores , on that point rambling or not rambling Doug is 100 % correct , but you all want to have the best schools , the most stores like Emeryville the lowest rent and property value , the lowest crime etc ….
    All in direct conflict with each other . guess were the customers for that target will be from , guess from where the Employees will come from OAKLAND ,and very much at it’s detriment , that will promote crime not the In and Out .

    Comment by mijoka — September 11, 2013 @ 4:40 pm

  10. There are absolutely no distinction between walmart and Target they sell the exact same merchandise , give and take pay the same , they both are the largest Employer with workers on food stamp , not my saying the Gov , survey .
    The only difference , a very good advertising agency for Target.

    Comment by mijoka — September 11, 2013 @ 4:47 pm

  11. OMG, did everyone miss the part where I wrote that Doug deHaan was part of the unanimous vote that paved the way for Target to come to Alameda Landing in the first place? Blaming a Planning Board that literally only worked on the design aspect after the fact when he sat on the body that could have actually put the kibosh on the plan from the get go is a little bit of revisionist history.

    Comment by Lauren Do — September 11, 2013 @ 5:10 pm

  12. I like Wallmart way better than Target. Wallmart is much better at handling their checkout stands. Plus Wallmart has better grocery selection than Target and finally, the people who shop at Wallmart aren’t near as snooty as Targettiers.

    Comment by Jack Richard — September 11, 2013 @ 5:33 pm

  13. Do Muck-spreader or Pull-Type Manure Spreaders | Spreads-All the Bull Sh_t

    Red Wagon DooooooSCH Leeps in any weather… Rain Sleet or Snow

    Comment by Cleanup on Isle #2 — September 11, 2013 @ 6:37 pm

  14. 6. Well said, Nancy. I admire many people enormously with whom I disagree constantly. Your actions should count more than your words or how you express yourself.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — September 12, 2013 @ 10:25 am

  15. Actions speaking louder than words has deHaan screaming that he is hypocrite (see #11).

    Comment by BarbaraK — September 12, 2013 @ 11:40 am

  16. I completely agree with Doug. He is a hero in my eyes, unlike the sell-outs on the council and the imcompetant bafoons on the planning board. Apparently, many of these provincial Alamedians have not spent much time outside of Alameda. Target has literally destroyed many small town communities around the USA, sans Walmart. Just ask any long-haul truck driver or national reporter, they see firsthand the damage done. Many have moved here because of the small town feel, it is eroding quickly before our very eyes and it is a shame. Alameda had so much potential.

    Comment by MM — October 3, 2013 @ 8:35 am

  17. Miyoka, your comments make the most sense. Unfortunately most Americans have no common sense, look at our government, a reflection of America’s common denominator. Gads!

    Comment by MM — October 3, 2013 @ 8:40 am

  18. 16. On Doug the un-sellout. see 11-

    11. OMG, did everyone miss the part where I wrote that Doug deHaan was part of the unanimous vote that paved the way for Target to come to Alameda Landing in the first place? Blaming a Planning Board that literally only worked on the design aspect after the fact when he sat on the body that could have actually put the kibosh on the plan from the get go is a little bit of revisionist history.

    Comment by Lauren Do — September 11, 2013 @ 5:10 pm

    The planning board didn’t create the zoning. There is another huge factor at work which is called “the free market”. Target may negatively impact the ambiance of Alameda, but I don’t think the economic impact will be like Wallmart on small towns where a number of small businesses drop like flies when they set up shop.

    Comment by Mark Irons — October 3, 2013 @ 9:06 am

  19. More on #17: DeHaan voted to approve the Alameda Landing project in 2008, which included a tenanting strategy that specifically identified Target as a goal for the project (they were in discussion already at that time, it was not a secret). Then in 2012, DeHaan again voted with the rest of the council to sell the land directly to Target, finding that they were a “qualified” party.

    The Target decision was made by a different council and with the full and willing support of Mr. DeHaan.

    Comment by jkw — October 3, 2013 @ 10:18 am

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