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August 28, 2013

What’ll I do

Filed under: Alameda, Alameda Landing, Transportation — Lauren Do @ 6:08 am

Since CalTrans is actively looking at the intersection at Stargell and Webster to make that crossing safer to access the remnant parcel, I thought I would put problem out there and perhaps someone will look at this problem given that they are already doing some work there.

So here is the intersection.  The road in front of you is coming out of the Tube from Oakland.   There is a cross walk but it’s on the other side of the street.   That crosswalk is triggered when a pedestrian button is pushed.   Right now, there are a number of people who cross of this side of the street, the non crosswalk side because they are trying to access that median that separates the northbound traffic from the southbound traffic.

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It is, as you can guess, super dangerous and usually happens in the morning because it appears that folks are going to work at the commercial building here, it’s the red building between the trees on the left:

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The “safest” way to access that parcel on foot is to swing all the way up Stargell and going almost all the way around Mariner Square Loop.   Essentially way too far for anyone to consider.   So therefore, you get people making the dangerous decision to cross Webster and walk the median up to the building.

I don’t know what can be done, but given that the southbound traffic, coming out of the tube, is stopped anyway every time the light is triggered on Stargell, building in  a crosswalk for that tiny stretch would go a long way toward pedestrian safety.



  1. If money was no bar, a pedestrian bridge would be safest.

    Comment by dave — August 28, 2013 @ 6:24 am

  2. The professional businesses in that center are not likely to have employees walking to work – ironically, one of the major tenants is the architectural firm for Target itself, MBH, and the vast majority of vehicles parked are very expensive high end models if that is any indication.

    In 6 years of being in the immediate area, I have never seen what you describe – persons crossing to access the buildings. I have seen the transients and homeless moving through there regularly.

    Comment by Bart — August 28, 2013 @ 6:49 am

  3. Hmm, I just talked to a parent at my kids’ school who works at MBH and says fellow employees make that crossing all the time, of course this is after I have seen many many people make the crossing after 5 years of drop offs to a preschool near that parcel.

    Comment by Lauren Do — August 28, 2013 @ 6:52 am

  4. Perhaps (from the perspective of the employees in those buildings) the reality today is that there is really nothing there to cross over Webster for now, save the health club – when the smell of those burgers wafts over the roadway, it certainly could attract much more jaywalking.

    I certainly agree this will become a greater problem with the opening of the Landing, and good on you raising the discussion. My perspective has been from the base of those old cement silos – so I know the child care center; only the beautiful and smart kids go there.

    With regards.

    Comment by Bart — August 28, 2013 @ 7:23 am

  5. I’ve also made that crossing a number of times. It is the fastest, pleasantest, and most efficient way for employees in those buildings to get to the food and amenities at the shopping center on the other side, instead of getting into their “expensive cars” and driving a long, circuitous route.

    Comment by Jack Mingo — August 28, 2013 @ 8:13 am

  6. For the cost of one cruise missile now aimed at Syria ($1.5-3.0 million), we could have a pretty nice bridge.

    Comment by Tom Schweich — August 28, 2013 @ 8:38 am

  7. A bridge makes sense and it could be designed to do double duty as an attractive gateway.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — August 28, 2013 @ 8:52 am

  8. just like estuary crossing a bridge needs a ramp up and down. slope must be ADA compliant right? which is pretty gradual. Just thinking that through. I went to A’s game and took ramp down off the BART bridge for peds into AMTRAk station lot. Round and round and round and round to drop maybe fifty feet. Probably higher than ped bridge needs to be if trucks can’t pass through the tube. Just like seeing “hair pin turn” off ramp on paper and then driving it, this stuff is difficult to visualize but even at 1/2″ a foot rise you begin to do the math. No idea what kind of real estate exists at each side of the road to accommodate bridge ramping up and down, but people might still op for mad dash through traffic. But nice opportunity for dramatic gateway.

    Comment by M.I. — August 28, 2013 @ 9:31 am

  9. I was only off by 50%. if Wiki site is correct maximum slope is 1:12 which means to rise two feet requires 24′ run. To clear 12′ ( not including the depth of the structure) requires a rise of 144 inches which in turn would require 144 feet of run, correct? that is almost half a football field. I think we’re looking at about 15feet vertical. 60 yards of run each side. roadway itself is 4 ten foot lanes plus median?

    Lauren, short of math blunder, if this is correct, are you aware of any site maps with scale on which to do overlay ?

    Comment by M.I. — August 28, 2013 @ 11:09 am

  10. I’ll have to look for maps, I’ll see what I can find

    Comment by Lauren Do — August 28, 2013 @ 12:10 pm

  11. Does the ped bridge over 80 @ University have that sort of dimensions, or does it pre-date ADA?

    Comment by dave — August 28, 2013 @ 12:12 pm

  12. Quick thoughts: The Berkeley bridge doesn’t pre-date ADA, it has huge ramps (600 feet long). and it cost $6.5 million dollars to build.

    Bridges are expensive infrastructure build and maintain, all to maintain unimpeded traffic flow, they provide little additional safety than a properly designed, fully functional intersection.

    There is a stop light at Stargell/Webster that already stops cars, adding a crosswalk would not impact traffic at all and would provide safe access to people who currently work across webster and walk from the bus stop. Redesign is already being done on this intersection, the additional work for rectifying this issue is negligible, especially compared to the costs of a ped bridge.

    Comment by John Knox White — August 28, 2013 @ 12:57 pm

  13. Barring jwk’s suggestion (which actually makes sense) I see great potential for a video game. You have hair-pin turns, speeding cars dodging jay-walking pedestrians. When you work your way past that you will be confronted by muggers and car jackers waiting to keep you from you treasured Double-Double. Extra credit if you correctly identify the bad guys as being locally from Alameda or from some other ‘nearby city’. In addition we could create an ‘app’ and you could earn extra credit again if you are actively using it (either walking or driving) in route to Hamburger Nirvana.

    Comment by frank — August 28, 2013 @ 3:25 pm

  14. #9: …or two segments of 30 yards with a mid-point turn-around platform. Circular ramps take up a lot of room. The other alternative is the installation of elevators on each end of the bridge. A ped bridge is a bad idea.

    Comment by Basel — August 28, 2013 @ 8:14 pm

  15. on 9 I was concentrating down here in comment box and didn’t even refer back to picture above. With double “hair pin” off ramp lanes the span would not be 4 lanes plus median, but more like 7 and it appears from the picture there would be a conflict with the fly over coming out of the tube for Constitution

    Comment by M.I. — August 29, 2013 @ 8:37 am

  16. I’m leaning towards a Gondola.

    Comment by John P. (L) — August 29, 2013 @ 10:27 am

  17. I”m leaning toward avoiding the whole mess and going to Five Guys at Southshore.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — August 29, 2013 @ 10:46 am

  18. Looks like Bower’s Pizza has closed and the fancy Dress Shop on Park is closing. Not much action at Mamma’s and Papa’s or Betty’s Café.

    Comment by frank — August 29, 2013 @ 11:18 am

  19. Frank many small businesses are feeling the pinch. Even big Retailers. 77% of the New Jobs created have been Part Time.

    Sales tax revenues for the State of California were down 33.5% for July and Total Revenues to State were Down 10.1 % compared to budget.

    Compared to Budget

    Total Revenues: -$475 million (-10.1%)
    Income Tax: $12 million (0.4%)
    Sales Tax: -$295 million (-33.5%)
    Corporate Tax: $57.1 million (27.4%)


    Sales taxes collections off 33.5% vs. budget and 40% from a year ago is not a “timing issue”. Either California data is extremely messed up, or retail sales nationally will be revised sharply lower.


    (Reuters) – Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT.N) reported a surprise decline in quarterly same-store sales in the United States, its biggest market, after shoppers came in less often because higher taxes and gasoline prices were leaving them with less spending money.

    The world’s largest retailer also cut its revenue and profit forecasts for its fiscal year, raising concerns about retail spending as the all-important holiday season nears. It cited weak results from the United States, as well as Canada, Mexico, Japan and other international markets that it is relying on for long-term growth.

    Comment by interesting times — August 29, 2013 @ 6:34 pm

  20. #18, When I went by Bowser’s last weekend, the sign in the window said they were remodelling to provide more interior dining space and would be opening soon. Sad if that changed.

    Comment by jkw — August 29, 2013 @ 11:20 pm

  21. jwk your correct. I looked again and it is just closed for remodeling.

    Comment by frank — August 30, 2013 @ 8:09 am

  22. Lauren – Equally concerning to me is the lack of crosswalk on Mariner Square Drive going to the business park entrance with 2 preschools and other businesses, to the right of the Posey Tube entrance (Tynan Ave according to Google Maps). There’s a sidewalk leading to nowhere that just ends. Many parents walk to and from that daycare/preschool then to the Transbay bus stop on Webster, and many of the staff and employees in the business park also take the bus. There is absolutely no stop side or crosswalk, jaywalking is the only option other than going all the way up and around Neptune Park, several blocks out of the way. We’ve been walking out of the way to avoid crossing there with the kids in a stroller for years, but I see adults doing it many, many times a day. I expect the foot traffic to increase once the Landing opens. Traffic is fairly light at most times, a crosswalk with flashing lights would be more than enough to make the crossing safer.
    I’ve always wondered why nothing is done with that spot and hope its looked at. What’s the best method to bring attention to it?

    Comment by BayGirl22 — October 5, 2013 @ 12:15 pm

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