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July 8, 2013

Pandas, sammies, and caffeine

Filed under: Alameda, Alameda Landing, Business, Development — Lauren Do @ 6:08 am

Update at the end…

Sometimes the details are buried in the fine print.   In the case of Alameda Landing, a few other retailers were revealed in the Staff Report and in the plans themselves.   Unsurprisingly, it appears that Starbucks will definitely have another West End presence.   It will be located within the Safeway, according to the Staff Report, they are working with Safeway and Starbucks to install a walk up window so you don’t have to go into the actual Safeway to get your caffeine buzz.

The two other new names were printed in the floor plans:

Panda Express:


If you see the key plan above this sentence you will see where it’s located in proximity to Target and Safeway.  Target is the biggest building in the plan (of course).

And Which Wich:


Which will live right next to The Habit (the burger place) which scored itself some nice outdoor seating.   But not as nice as Corner Bakery’s outdoor seating or even Panda Express’s.  Which Wich is, obviously, a sandwich shop.   A mostly So Cal based franchise, looks like Alameda will be one of the first few Northern California shops although there is one in Burlingame and one in San Jose.

So far, lots of food places which I’m not that surprised about.  I imagine they all will do quite well.

Another big agenda item will be the request by Safeway for 24 hour operation.   They will be limiting the delivery hours, since that’s always what people will complain about.  So essentially the same set-up as the South Shore Safeway.

Just to note there is no In N Out on this agenda, so if you want to come and complain about it, you’ll have to do it under non agendized open comment.

According to a rep at Catellus (other than the Starbucks at Safeway) the other two retailers: Panda Express and Which Wich are not confirmed retailers and were simply examples of tenants they have been speaking to.  I guess the drafts of the plans should not have contained their names, but they’re there so read into that what you will.



  1. Perhaps there can be a Peet’s or Blue Bottle as well! We already have 5 (!) Starbucks.

    Speaking of In-N-Out, there’s a petition requesting the Alameda Planning Board reject the application. If you agree with the sentiments, please sign the petition.

    Comment by alameda — July 8, 2013 @ 6:46 am

  2. It is difficult to see how this project will not be the final nail in Marina Village’s coffin. It will be a harsh blow to lower Webster as well.

    Tell me again why the city is investing in projects that the private sector won’t?

    Comment by dave — July 8, 2013 @ 7:13 am

  3. no perfect solutions. To this reader this is all more mall crap, but I get why it’s going in. I personally don’t shop at Target or Wallmart and it’s not even political or economic, though if I was counting every penny I might shop at a place like Wallmart. It seems the majority of people in Alameda shop at Target and Target must think enough Alameda shoppers will shop at this Target to make it viable. I’m certain they expect Oakland shoppers too, but it’s not right off the freeway ramp like most of their stores. But none of us seem to really welcome a strip mall right in our back yards. Even more ironic that Bayport , one of our more exclusive enclaves of housing is directly juxtaposed. As much as it’s tempting to speculate about stuff like traffic I can’t say I’ve any certainty how this will all play out in the long run, but it’s pretty mediocre. I hope in the balance it is “good” for the West End and Alameda. John P., since you support this but were disappointed by the outcome of Bridgeside as a member of the Planning Board which approved that, I wonder if you would comment on how you might feel if you were having to vote on this. It is clear you would vote yes, but with regard to various aspects, with how much real pride or enthusiasm? As a PB member imagine I would over all be voting for approval, but with regret over many details.

    Comment by M.I. — July 8, 2013 @ 7:19 am

  4. dave, except for some of the infrastructure isn’t this essentially private money? Is this grandfathered in as redevelopment and even then, Target is investing plenty in things like their building with liquifaction proof foundation.

    Comment by M.I. — July 8, 2013 @ 7:23 am

  5. @3, agreed. I get it that the city is desperate to plug the retail leakage, but this is indeed generic mall crap … has all the makings of another Bridgeside. I see myself stopping for Blue Bottle, but doesn’t look like they’ll be there.

    Folks living on 5th St (as well as Stargell) are in for a very nasty surprise with all the traffic that is headed their way. Maybe this is one way to reduce speeding on Stargell.

    Can’t wait to see what happens when the Landing traffic has to compete with that from the Antiques Faire. It took a looong time to get through the tube yesterday.

    Comment by alameda — July 8, 2013 @ 8:39 am

  6. The city owns the land, has financed a large chunk of the infrastructure and because it is grandfathered redevelopment will realize very little property tax revenue from it.

    As I’ve said repeatedly, and accurately, the chase for sales taxes is a fool’s errand. The .75% of taxable purchases will NEVER be anywhere close to the .29% of property taxes. It is embarrassingly wrongheaded.

    Comment by dave — July 8, 2013 @ 9:34 am

  7. Mark, yes I would vote for it. I would be unhappy with this one just like I was with Bridgeside because they don’t take the water into consideration. Actually this shopping center does not sit on the water like Bridgeside does. We put very specific rules as to the usage facing the water, once the center was built out business just covered up the windows facing the water and made no use of the water whatsoever. I was told by the developer that it would happen, turns out he was correct.

    As for the predictions about all the “nasty traffic” I would refer you to the Theater and all the predictions made about it. To be specific the Antiques Fair is one day per month and the traffic is from about 3:pm to 5:pm. Also at some point in the future Willie Stargell Way will become a four lane street to carry traffic from the base to Webster st. As for fifth st. it is also four lanes and can handle the traffic. Home owners in Bayport should be aware of the streets surrounding them and the now vacant base, yes there will be development all around Bayport and it should be no surprise to anyone. Just for general info. , I have lived in the West End for 70 years, and as Lil Arnerich always says and is still true today “in 1960 you could drive from the base to High st. in 12 minutes, you can still do that today”.

    Comment by John P. (L) — July 8, 2013 @ 9:41 am

  8. Panda Express

    Comment by Tony Daysog — July 8, 2013 @ 9:46 am

  9. Can we include some enforced discipline in the Webster tube, please? Camera fines will help pay for infrastructure.

    Comment by Nigel P. — July 8, 2013 @ 9:49 am

  10. Blue Bottle? Are you kidding me? That’s coffee for the 1% – three bucks for the privilege of waiting 5 minutes for a tattoo-ed hipster to pour a kettle over a pile of grinds. Oh yes, it’s real special that they are organic, single origin, and also [insert hipster buzzword]. It might taste good, but ordinary working folks can’t afford that nonsense. They go to Starbucks and pay 50% less.

    Comment by Big Johnson — July 8, 2013 @ 10:15 am

  11. Once Target goes belly up because it’s really just a showroom for e-commerce the only thing left in all these strip malls will be stuff you can’t buy on-line. No wonder fast food/coffee joints, grocery stores and personal vanity shops rule the strips.

    Target’s nothing more than a slightly upscale Walmart except Walmart doesn’t have to worry about e-commerce since their customer’s ‘e’ prefix to commerce is limited to thumb punching tweets on their uh-smart phones.

    Comment by Jack R — July 8, 2013 @ 10:31 am

  12. I love Blue Bottle Coffee, but it doesn’t belong in this center. Luckily they sell it at the Alameda Market Place on Park Street. As for the traffic — we’re going to have lots of it; the developer has planned for it – thus the reason they want all the directional signs to the center as you come out of the tube. But I don’t mind the traffic so much — just disappointed we didn’t get a a lifestyle center with a more exciting tenant mix. I’m tired of all the discount type stores.

    Comment by Karen Bey — July 8, 2013 @ 10:31 am

  13. I don’t know if I would consider Michael’s a “discount” type store. Have you seen how much scrapbooking supplies cost? Most craft-based hobbies can get really expensive really quickly.

    Comment by Lauren Do — July 8, 2013 @ 10:34 am

  14. Also regarding the In and Out Burger – maybe they can go in South Shore. There’s an empty burger restaurant where Pearl’s was.

    Comment by Karen Bey — July 8, 2013 @ 10:49 am

  15. @7. I don’t think the issue with traffic is getting to High St in 12 minutes from the base (glad to know that hasn’t changed since the 60s). I don’t see how this is even relevant if you are using the tubes to enter/exit.

    I know it is very fashionable around here to conflate opposition to the theater with concerns about In-N-Out. But not everybody who opposes In-N-Out was also against the theater. I recognize this doesn’t fit your narrative, sorry for the inconvenience.

    @10. Nobody is preventing you from going to Starbucks. There will be 6 in Alameda (including the proposed store at the Landing). How many more we need? One every block?

    Comment by alameda — July 8, 2013 @ 11:45 am

  16. A bit of an update: According to a rep at Catellus (other than the Starbucks at Safeway) the other two retailers: Panda Express and Which Wich are not confirmed retailers and were simply examples of tenants they have been speaking to. I guess the drafts of the plans should not have contained their names, but they’re there so read into that what you will.

    Comment by Lauren Do — July 8, 2013 @ 12:28 pm

  17. California Fresh

    Comment by Tony Daysog — July 8, 2013 @ 12:43 pm

  18. Too darn many Coffee Shops! They are as bad as the Number of Nail Salons.
    I do want my In-N-Out, cuz I don’t want to pay $10 everytime I want a non-franchised burger made with fresh local ingredients. It’s not just another fast food place. Julia Child had In-N-Out delivered to her in the hospital. Some of you have no class.

    Comment by vigi — July 8, 2013 @ 12:52 pm

  19. @18. One man’s coffee is another person’s hot brown water, as we all know.

    If you read the petition, you will see that it is not about In-N-Out per se. The concerns are primarily around the proposed location and potential traffic issues. Also, community input has consistently spoken out against more fast food joints in the West End/Webster corridor (saturated as it is with one of these fine dining establishments every few blocks or so).

    As Karen pointed out (#14), why not move it to South Shore to replace Pearl’s? You can still have your Julia Child endorsed burgers and stay classy without leaving the island, n’est-ce pas?

    Comment by alameda — July 8, 2013 @ 2:37 pm

  20. I noticed that I have In-N-Out and Per Se in the same sentence, doesn’t get any better … I reckon! Is that classy enough for you, vigi? 😀

    Comment by alameda — July 8, 2013 @ 2:44 pm

  21. my guess would be if you could take a poll in Alameda as to yes or no on In-N-out burger, they would win hands down. Just my opinion as always.

    Comment by John P. (L) — July 8, 2013 @ 5:59 pm

  22. my guess would be if you could take a poll in West Alameda as to yes or no on in-N-Out burger, they would lose hands down if it delayed tube traffic by ten minutes, just my opinion as always.

    Comment by Jack Richard — July 8, 2013 @ 7:45 pm

  23. Don’t know about 1960, but you can’t drive Webster to High in 12 minutes. try 20. My main impression of popping out of the tube to go to flea market at Island Auto Movie in 1968 was the Jack-in -the Box which is how I knew where to turn left to get to the que to get a stall at the flea market.

    “California Fresh”, “Panda Express”???? ten years on council wasn’t enough???? WTF???

    Comment by M.I. — July 8, 2013 @ 10:17 pm

  24. @23. Wasn’t sure what to make of those one-liner non sequiturs from Daysog either. Weird!

    Comment by alameda — July 9, 2013 @ 7:04 am

  25. Uh, what part of In-N-Out don’t you understand? The Pearl’s space is not a drive-through location so it would not be suitable for In-N-Out. Also, why would anyone open up a burger chain in a space where a previous burger chain failed? Doesn’t make sense to me.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — July 9, 2013 @ 12:15 pm

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