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April 27, 2012

I’m just a soul whose intentions are good

Filed under: Alameda, City Council — Tags: , — Lauren Do @ 6:07 am

For Tuesday’s City Council meeting, Councilmember Doug deHaan has put forth a referral asking that the the City Council direct staff to:

…perform an analysis of the Campaign Financial activities of the November 2, 2010 election using the proposed Campaign Financial Reform Ordinance Proposed by the Sunshine Task Force.

And in addition to this “analysis” that they bring back the proposed Campaign Finance Reform Ordinance for a review and vote by the City Council.

While I do not disagree with the need to bring back the Campaign Finance Reform Ordinance, and honestly it should have been done after the Sunshine Ordinance was adopted, it’s unclear what purpose an “analysis of the November 2010″ election serves in 2012 except to make political hay before two upcoming elections.   To be honest, I’m not sure if Doug deHaan himself necessarily understands the scope of the Campaign Referral that he put forward, because after a post on David Howard’s site about this upcoming issue, where he of course, made political hay about the Firefighters once again, Doug deHaan posted this clarification:

I left in the two other comments, one from a former City Council candidate, who I guess feel that public speech — including public speech as it applies to local elections — should be limited to those who agree with them only, in other words, the Firefighters Union should not have the ability to canvass and go door-to-door for candidates they support.   But I digress.

While it appears from the posting by Doug deHaan that he believes that “his sole intent” is only requesting that the issue of the Campaign Finance Reform Ordinance come back and hopefully be adopted, he missed the whole first part of the referral which asked for the analysis of the November 2010 election.   While it might have been an academic exercise in 2011 right after the election, in 2012 it smells like a political tactic.   Here’s an analysis of the 2010 campaign finances using the Campaign Finance Reform Ordinance.   Every major candidate took contributions in excess of the proposed $500 cap per individual.

Also, I’ll point out that “transparency” has nothing to do with limiting campaign contribution amounts for individuals.  The transparency in that process is already satisfied by any amounts exceeding $100 be itemized on the Campaign Disclosure Forms.

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43 Comments

  1. Lauren,

    Maybe you can confirm or deny some information that is going around……I was told we have 26 Firefighters at AFD making a Total Compensation of between 250,000.00 – 350,000.00 last year of which 3 live in Alameda. I thought AFD made huge concessions in their new Contract…….I guess Just another group of Souls whose intentions are good . Why are these so out of Line.

    These are the reason State and Cities are going broke .

    Firefighters Salarys from BLS
    compare these to AFD

    http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos329.htm

    Fire chief $78,672 $104,780
    Deputy chief 69,166 88,571
    Battalion chief 66,851 81,710
    Assistant fire chief 65,691 83,748
    Fire captain 60,605 72,716
    Fire lieutenant 50,464 60,772
    Engineer 48,307 62,265

    WE have a great Fire department. But local governments total pay compensation is unsustainable and crippling Cities Budgets. the Federal government pays very well and here is their pay schedule.

    Federal Firefighters Pay Scale for San Jose – San Francisco – Oakland

    For firefighters with a basic 40-hour workweek, the normal General Schedule hourly rate (using a 2087-hour factor) is used to compute pay for the basic 40-hour workweek, and then the firefighter (2756 basis) hourly rate of basic pay is used to compute pay for nonovertime hours beyond the basic 40 hour workweek.

    Pay Ranges from GS 8 to GS 10

    GS-10

    2012 Base Pay is 45771

    2012 Annual Pay is 61860

    2012 Hourly Rate is 29.64

    http://www.fedsmith.com/pay_rates/

    http://www.indeed.com/q-Firefighter-Paramedic-l-California-jobs.html

    Comment by John — April 27, 2012 @ 10:14 am

  2. The Average Firefighter will retire with the Equilent of 5- 7 Houses Fully paid for and be able to retire between 50- 55 After recieving almost double the Average Pay of a Federal Firefighter while working for City.

    The Captains and above recieve the Equivilant of 10-12 Houses fully paid for upon retirement all financed by the Citizens of Alameda.

    Can We Really Afford this.

    Comment by John — April 27, 2012 @ 10:22 am

  3. John: You are asking for confirmation of total compensation (overtime, benefits, pension, uniform, and regular salary) and then proceed to post numbers for base salary. I’m not sure how the comparison between the two is a like to like analysis.

    Comment by Lauren Do — April 27, 2012 @ 10:51 am

  4. I am so glad that deHaan is terming out this year. He is a blundering hypocrite, and seems unable to accept the demographic changes in Alameda. What hasn’t change is that the firefighter unions have always been involved in Alameda politics, but they have gotten better at it in recent years where their endorsed candidates were actually successful in winning seats on the council. Even deHaan received a check from them. The posts on AA seem more about lingering sour grapes from that last election since Howard and Gillit seem to have to most problems with the police officers and not the firefighters.

    Comment by BarbaraK — April 27, 2012 @ 11:12 am

  5. Firefighters and police officers are paid to protect and serve. Will David Howard and Adam run into a burning building to rescue you? Police stop vehicles and have no idea if the driver is armed when they walk up to get their license and registration. These are hazardous jobs. Firefighters have higher rates of cancer according to a recent finding http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/health&id=8555932
    Alameda fire captain succumbed to esophageal cancer http://alameda.patch.com/articles/in-pictures-a-fallen-firefighters-memorial#photo-4462216

    I’m not affiliated to any firefighter nor police. But I understand the risks they face daily.

    Doug, David, Adam and their gang sure have Alameda’s best interests — I’m sure of it. Right?

    Comment by Alamedan — April 27, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  6. Lauren

    What I asked is

    Maybe you can confirm or deny some information that is going around……I was told we have 26 Firefighters at AFD making a Total Compensation of between 250,000.00 – 350,000.00 last year of which 3 live in Alameda. I thought AFD made huge concessions in their new Contract…….

    What I showed was Salary Ranges From Burea Of Labor Statistics.

    Seems Like something is VERY Wrong in our Compensation when City Going BK and Cutting programs and raising fees and looking for new Taxes on the Citizens..

    Maybe you could shed some light on how the Cities Unsustainable pension meeting went instead of taking Chicken S–t shots at Dehaan for raising a issue about campaign contributions.

    Comment by John — April 27, 2012 @ 1:47 pm

  7. Again, if you are looking for a comparable comparison, posting Labor Statistics that list Salary only and then requesting a confirmation of total compensation is not appropriate. There have been historical spreadsheets which can prove to verify your information, which I have written about in the past.

    DeHaan himself appears confused about what his referral was based on the comment on a different website.

    Unfortunately, I do not have the time to attend untelevised meetings in the City, if you like you could always ask Kevin Kearney, who I believe you stated that you knew socially, about the Pensions Task Force meeting which he is a member of.

    Comment by Lauren Do — April 27, 2012 @ 1:54 pm

  8. But to answer your question, I only have numbers from 2010 and there were only four individuals from the Fire Department with a total compensation of $250K – $350K. Unless all of the sudden 22 additional people made the jump in two years, your information is, more than likely, incorrect.

    Perhaps you can put in a public records request to the City to confirm the information that is “going around”

    Comment by Lauren Do — April 27, 2012 @ 2:07 pm

  9. Lauren I haven’t talked with Kevin Personally in awhile…I’m sure he has been pretty busy with Taxes…..I was just wondering if you got the same information I heard. I also heard that it was sent to all the Papers and Bloggers but no one has touched….So your going with it’s probably Incorrect.

    That’s all I asked.

    Comment by John — April 27, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

  10. The total compensation information has already been asked and posted on the State Controller’s website for 2010. The individuals total compensation are listed and they are retired police captains because of accrued vacations, not firefighters. John may want to check with AA/David Howard, if they are not too busy in their violence against women.

    Comment by BarbaraK — April 27, 2012 @ 4:21 pm

  11. I guess when Michele Ellison posted all the Numbers in 2009 she was attacking women also…As was Kevin Kennedy in 2010….and Those pesky people at The Patch ……I guess you don’t feel With pension costs rising 2000% since 2001 when they received a huge contract with big raises during the worst financial conditions this City, State and Country has ever seen have had any impact on the City and it’s financial situation and the budget crisis we know face. Probably Its David Howards doing. How much of the Budget is AA/and David Howard.

    in 2010 Alameda Fire Dept has 16 people whose earnings and benefits cost the citizens between $ 200,000 –$ 275,000 last year.

    Another 55 whose earnings and benefits were between $ 150,000 – $200,000.

    I was just surprised with new Numbers I heard about especially after hearing how much AFD sacrificed in New Contract and were concerned about the Cities Financial Health.

    It’s not hard to figure out why we need a new Tax .

    Comment by John — April 27, 2012 @ 5:29 pm

  12. The Average Firefighter will retire with the Equilent of 5- 7 Houses Fully paid for and be able to retire between 50-55.After recieving almost double the Average Pay of a Federal Firefighter while working for City.

    The Captains and above recieve the Equivilant of 10-12 Houses fully paid for upon retirement all financed by the Citizens of Alameda. After recieving almost double the Average Pay of a Federal Firefighter while working for City.

    I guess we can afford this and probably should not be concerned about the Raising of Fees and New Taxes on everything else to keep them Happy.

    Maybe we can do a Fundraiser also. All these Houses are going to need new Furniture.

    Comment by John — April 27, 2012 @ 5:43 pm

  13. “…model-looking muscled men..” Victoria Ashley

    I love that one. If that’s what works, I suggest the teachers start doing pushups.

    Comment by Jack Richard — April 27, 2012 @ 6:55 pm

  14. John, you are so wrong about Federal pay scales. Here is the one for law enforcement for the SF Bay Area: http://www.opm.gov/oca/10tables/html/sf_leo.asp . A CBP Officer for US Custom and Border Protection is a GS-12 so here in the Bay Area that is $84K to $105K base salary. On top of that, there can be up to $35K in overtime pay. Supervisors are GS-13 here. Comparing local Alameda firefighter pay to an average pay for the whole country is not valid– costs are much higher here and the locality pay scales in the federal government reflect that. Also, bear in mind that President Obama froze federal salaries nationwide two years ago, so the federal employees would have received a cost of living increase in October 2010 and October 2011, but didn’t.

    Comment by Kevis Brownson — April 27, 2012 @ 7:14 pm

  15. Border patrol salary average in CA is around 59,000?.. But GS-12, no way…maybe they start ay GS-5 and rise to 7 or 9 after many years. Then, if they are lucky, a very few will rise to GS-11 or 12.

    Comment by Jack Richard — April 27, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

  16. Secret Service agents working in the White House are GS-7s or 9s, with an average wage of less than 60K. I know, I asked them. Shitty wage.

    I used to travel to DC couple times a month back when I worked for NAVAIR, at NADEP. Each Fed Agency knows how to bend the rules on grade interpretation to either raise wages or lower them depending on whether or not management wants to look frugal or otherwise. The Navy was, by far, the least frugal of any agency I ran across, including each of the armed force Departments. The other forces were always couple grades lower than Alameda, even doing…sort of…the same work. Writing Fed job descriptions is an art form.

    It’s probably no different in the Alameda FD. Guys have a lot of time on their hands looking for ways to gild their feathers.

    Comment by Jack Richard — April 27, 2012 @ 10:14 pm

  17. Kevis.

    I’m not making stuff up.

    U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

    Firefighters

    http://www.bls.gov/ooh/Protective-Service/Firefighters.htm

    The median annual wage of firefighters was $45,250 in May 2010.

    $21.76 per hour

    This is pretty fair sample

    Number of Jobs, 2010 ————- 310,400

    Average Salary
    According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average base salary for a fire chief ranged from $78,672 to $104,780 in 2008. The average pay for lower-level chiefs — such as battalion, division and assistant fire chiefs — ranged from $65,691 to $88,571.

    Working Up the Fire Science Ladder
    There were about 365,600 paid positions in this field in 2008; fire fighters held about 310,400 jobs, and first-line supervisors and managers held about 55,200 jobs. These employment figures do not include volunteer fire fighters, who perform the same duties and may constitute the majority of fire fighters in a residential area. According to the U.S. Fire Administration, about 70 percent of fire companies were staffed entirely by volunteers in 2007.

    Employment in this occupation is expected to grow by 19 percent by 2018, which is faster than the average for all occupations. Most job growth will stem from volunteer fire fighting positions being converted to paid positions. In recent years, it has become more difficult for volunteer fire departments to recruit and retain volunteers, perhaps because of the considerable amount of training and time commitment required.

    Getting in on the ground floor and working up the hierarchical ladder is imperative for any worker who wants to make fire fighting a career. According to the International City-County Management Association, average salaries in 2008 for sworn full-time positions were as follows:

    •Fire chief: $78,672 to $104,780
    •Deputy chief: $69,166 to $88,571
    •Battalion chief: $66,851 to $81,710
    •Assistant fire chief: $65,691 to $83,748
    •Fire captain: $60,605 to $72,716
    •Fire lieutenant: $50,464 t0 $60,772
    •Engineer: $48,307 to $62,265
    The hierarchy structure, which culminates in the fire chief’s position, can vary from department to department; however, the NFA is working to help states consolidate fire departments to increase fire company size and to help with consistent training nationwide. Education counts…as fire chiefs and their deputies often have bachelor’s degrees in fire science.

    There are so many sources quoting these same #s

    http://www.careersearchdatabase.com/firefighter-career.html

    Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Department of Labor, Occupational Outlook Handbook, 2010-11 Edition

    Comment by John — April 28, 2012 @ 4:48 am

  18. Bottom Line is the Firefighters should be paid a fair wage…….They were 15 percent of budget…..Now more than double that…..They control the Elections and we let it happen…The people they put in control make sure they are taken care of…We get what we deserve…….I don’t know why I waste my time on this Crap….I know I’m not falling for this New Tax and probably will be out of here anyway…..I say lets give all the Revenues to FD and let them dole out the payroll to the rest of the Staff and if there is a buck or two left maybe they will buy a book for the Library and a new Kickball for one of the parks….Make Russo a Fireman so he can get a raise….We are kinda embarassing him in his total compensation now.

    Comment by John — April 28, 2012 @ 5:46 am

  19. Jack your familar with the GS scales…and Know BS when you see it.

    Federal Firefighter

    Experience and Education
    Various levels of experience are needed to work as a federal firefighter. Those entering as a GS-3 employee only need general experience of six months working in an environment that required following directions. One year of post-secondary education or related training is also necessary. For the next entry-level pay grade (GS-4), one year of specialized training is needed in areas like rescue operations or controlling hazardous materials. GS-4 firefighters need to have two years of post-secondary education. The experience requirement is the same for the highest entry-level pay grade (GS-5), but a bachelor’s degree is needed to qualify.
    http://www.ehow.com/info_8395235_federal-firefighter-entry-level-requirements.html

    EMPLOYMENTQUALIFICATIONSFORFEDERALFIREFIGHTERS.doc

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:N87Beas9eDIJ:www.afgefirefighters.org/documents/EMPLOYMENTQUALIFICATIONSFORFEDERALFIREFIGHTERS.doc+federal+firefighter+jobs&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShBUwmwLBYh8N-Rnx3zmRkd04fXclvgfw54NCHiPk87ckuo6KEIEacgSynEiY1d-imPoVihP99Z4_bAX2XtsfzzTM73lAgasPLyhuPwQnGc3oGeVV4FVWqbphWp_c82uPOlokpn&sig=AHIEtbTa7NK7cYvYwGbvIDGuR-aMnJ06dA

    Comment by John — April 28, 2012 @ 1:32 pm

  20. SALARY TABLE 2011-GS
    RATES FROZEN AT 2010 LEVELS

    EFFECTIVE JANUARY 2011

    Annual Rates by Grade and Step

    http://www.opm.gov/oca/11tables/html/gs.asp

    Comment by John — April 28, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  21. That is from the

    U.S. Office of Personnel Management
    Recruiting, Retaining, and Honoring a World-Class Workforce To Serve The America People

    Why are our Firefighters So Different ?

    Comment by John — April 28, 2012 @ 1:51 pm

  22. Kevis

    here is your Locality pay

    SALARY TABLE 2012-SF

    FOR THE LOCALITY PAY AREA OF SAN JOSE-SAN FRANCISCO-OAKLAND, CA

    RATES FROZEN AT 2010 LEVELS

    EFFECTIVE JANUARY 2012

    Annual Rates by Grade and Step

    This would be for Alameda CA Fireman

    GS 3 Range from 29517 -38372
    GS-4 Range From 33136 -43074
    GS 5 Range From 37073 -48190
    GS 6 Range From 41325 -53719
    GS 7 Range From 45923 -59704

    http://www.opm.gov/oca/12tables/html/sf.asp

    Comment by John — April 28, 2012 @ 6:30 pm

  23. My mom died of esophageal cancer, & she wasn’t a firefighter. She smoked. So shut up about the special hazard to firefighters. No matter how much you like them, it cannot be denied that their benefit demands, especially health care, per Kevin Kennedy at the LWV meeting, are breaking this City! Compared to other cities, firefighting in Alameda just doesn’t seem as demanding. What I wanna know is: one side says they have too many fire trucks; the other side says they need more. How is the decision made to retire or buy a new fire truck, anyway? How many are enough?

    Comment by vigi — April 29, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  24. 17. It isn’t reasonable to compare nationwide averages to salaries for the high cost Bay Area.
    19. Pray tell, where is the nearest Federal firefighter in the Bay Area? Most of them are in either DOD or Interior, and most of their jobs are not in urban areas. Also a huge number of Federal firefighters are temporary, seasonal firefighters in wildland areas– see the notice in USAJOBS: http://www.usajobs.gov/SpotlightsAll/SpotlightDetails?contentID=86 . Firefighters do seem to be on the lower end of the pay scale in Federal service.
    15. CBP officers start out at GS-5 or 7 as probationary employees, but the full level is GS-12. http://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/314137500#TopofPage

    Comment by Kevis Brownson — April 29, 2012 @ 11:45 pm

  25. Kevis

    This is locality pay for Bay Area.

    Average Full time Firefighters are Not G- 12

    Travis AFB has 4 Firestations . They are Federal Firefighters.

    SALARY TABLE 2012-SF

    FOR THE LOCALITY PAY AREA OF SAN JOSE-SAN FRANCISCO-OAKLAND, CA

    RATES FROZEN AT 2010 LEVELS

    EFFECTIVE JANUARY 2012

    Annual Rates by Grade and Step

    This would be for Alameda CA Fireman

    GS 3 Range from 29517 -38372
    GS-4 Range From 33136 -43074
    GS 5 Range From 37073 -48190
    GS 6 Range From 41325 -53719
    GS 7 Range From 45923 -59704

    http://www.opm.gov/oca/12tables/html/sf.asp

    Here is their contact Info…..Ask them what their top 25% fulltime firefighters make.

    Ask what Percentage are GS -12 and Above.

    Travis AFB Fire Department
    Physical Address
    191 W ST
    Travis Afb, CA 94535
    Mailing Address
    191 W ST
    Travis Afb, CA 94535
    Telephone: (707) 424-3886

    Comment by John — April 30, 2012 @ 2:03 am

  26. Well, it is no wonder that they have solicitations for firefighters constantly in the DOD and DOI since they don’t pay very well— Anyway the base salary in 2010 for Alameda firefighters went from $72K to $92K in 2010, which is more than the low paid federal firefighters but not in the high 6 figures that you are quoting for total compensation. Police officer is slightly higher, topping out at $97K, comparable to US CBP Officer in the Bay Area.

    Comment by Kevis Brownson — April 30, 2012 @ 8:50 pm

  27. Kevis your Right…….They only have between 4,000-5,000 applicants when a Fireman’s job opens up at Travis according to Firefighter ..Hardly anyone interested…He said the applicants are all college educated and Fire Safety trained and EMT’s …The reason some leave Travis is to go overseas and work in DOD.

    Their Total compensation is less than half of AFD. Your GS #s are BS.

    But appreciate you mudding the waters about Border Patrol Agents…You might want to bring up Surgeons next time referring to Firefighters.

    Comment by John — May 1, 2012 @ 11:19 am

  28. John: What is the total compensation for a Federal Firefighter? You’ve only ever posted average salary.

    Comment by Lauren Do — May 1, 2012 @ 11:57 am

  29. These are National Numbers from a Database of hundred of thousands vs Kevis #s from his Private Little Island World.

    Fireman Paramedic Salary Ranges
    The average yearly salary for Fireman Paramedic is $46,750. If you are just beginning to work as a Fireman Paramedic, you could expect a starting pay of $38,500. As is true for most careers, you can expect your payrate to increase the longer you are employed. You could make an income of around $55,000 after some time

    Fireman Paramedic Gender and Age Stats
    The average Fireman Paramedic age in the US is 38 years old.

    59% of Fireman Paramedic are male in the United States.
    41% of Fireman Paramedic are female in the United States.

    Yearly Fireman Paramedic Pay Statistics
    Average Yearly Fireman Paramedic Salary $37,400 – $56,100
    Starting Yearly Fireman Paramedic Salary $30,800 – $46,200
    Top Yearly Fireman Paramedic Salary $44,000 – $66,000

    Monthly Fireman Paramedic Pay Statistics
    Average Monthly Fireman Paramedic Salary $3,117 – $4,675
    Starting Monthly Fireman Paramedic Salary $2,567 – $3,850
    Top Monthly Fireman Paramedic Salary $3,667 – $5,500

    Hourly Fireman Paramedic Pay Statistics

    Average Hourly Fireman Paramedic Salary $17 – $25
    Starting Hourly Fireman Paramedic Salary $14 – $21
    Top Hourly Fireman Paramedic Salary $20 – $29

    Comment by John — May 1, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  30. Lauren

    Here are the Numbers From BLS 310,000 Data Base

    http://www.bls.gov/ooh/Protective-Service/Firefighters.htm

    Comment by John — May 1, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

  31. Not to be repetitive, but you are comparing dissimilar data sets and reaching the conclusion that municipal firefighters are overpaid.

    Salary alone is not comparable to total compensation.

    Comment by Lauren Do — May 1, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

  32. Lauren…….If average Salary is 45K………Throw in 50% of Salary for all Benefits ..Retirement ect….That puts you at about 65- 70K…………Nationally……Total Compensation

    Cost of Living Here is 35% more than National Average using Government #s and all other information available.

    Our Firefighters here should be earning around 60K with Cost of living figured in ….Throw in 50% of Salary for all Benefits ..Retirement ect….That puts you at about 90K…Total Compensation…Which is HUGE benefits package.

    Our Average Firefighters Base Salary in Alameda is more than 50 % higher than National Average even with cost of Living figured in….Kevis I think stated 92K Base.

    Probably why we don’t have any money to pay defeered maintance for of City and No money for Parks and Programs and why Every fee has jumped thru roof and now looking at adding more Taxes . Plus they were under 15% of Budget even 7 years after Prop 13 and Now Fire Department is 34% of Budget with Escalated raises to Salary, Benefits and Pensions while City Revenues were dropping last 11 years.

    This isn’t brain Surgury……Simple math.

    Comment by John — May 1, 2012 @ 1:09 pm

  33. I believe if we Averaged 100K total Compensation for Fire Department we could add 8 Million a Year to Budget to take care of some of our Problems……..If we did this for 30 Years like Tax being proposed thats 200 + Million to get our City back in shape. 100K total compensation a pretty fair wage in Private Sector.

    I’m pretty sure the line would be very long with thousands of very qualified applicants to take this horrible paying job.

    Comment by John — May 1, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

  34. 32. John, your 50% more for total compensation is way too low. You forgot overtime– could be up to $35000 per year. Medical, add about $15000 for a family (dental and vision not paid for by government), leave- annual average about 156 hours per year, leave- sick 104 hours per year, paid holidays 10 days per year. Retirement is not as good as CalPERS but is still quite a good defined benefit plan so ?$ for that. So even with just OT and medical, it is over your figure.
    Not trying to muddy the waters, but I think even with the 4 fire stations, there are still many more CBP officers in the immediate SF Bay Area (SF & Oakland airports, seaports, and downtown SF) and their jobs are also law enforcement. I could have used FBI instead. I am not sure but I think the police department in Alameda probably has the same pension as you are comparing for the fire department.

    Comment by Kevis Brownson — May 1, 2012 @ 5:22 pm

  35. Base salary for Firefighters in Alameda can be found here. A rank and file firefighter at Step 1 makes $63,336 in base salary (bi-weekly pay x 26 weeks) which is right around what you suggested they should be paid (45K + 35% premium for the Bay Area)

    Comment by Lauren Do — May 1, 2012 @ 5:37 pm

  36. Thanks, Lauren.

    Comment by Kevis Brownson — May 1, 2012 @ 5:43 pm

  37. I’m going to point out a couple facts that get lost. We are one of the lowest paid departments in the Bay Area, but everyone serving understands that the last couple of years have been devastating for cities and their budgets. That’s compared to like-size departments and like-size cities. Anyone can do a salary survey- all they have to do is call H.R. Departments in other cities and compare our salary and benefits with those cities. We always compare our work to like-workers and to like size cities with like size budgets. I also want to point out that as a firefighter I make $32.00/hr. I do not receive any overtime until I work over 52 hrs a week. We work 56/hr weeks. If we moved from shift work and were put on 8 an hour day the city would have to double the personnel in the department to cover a 24 hue period and FLSA wouldn’t apply anymore, which means overtime would kick in after 40/hrs a week. Our personnel have made multiple concessions over the last 3 years and continue to partner with the city and collaborate to make adjustment so the City and the Department can continue to provide the best service possible to the community. I felt the need to respond because everyone needs good information when looking at numbers. If Lauren wants I can send her the last salary surveys we did and she can post them.

    Comment by Jeff DelBono Alameda Firefighters Association — May 1, 2012 @ 7:59 pm

  38. Jeff

    Real world is you can compare other cities that are broke or going broke and what they are paying whoever…We don’t want to be the Next Vallejo……There are lots of ways at looking at a situation….There are many ways to staff and lots of ways to pay….and Lots of options when your Broke….When you go BK that’s a whole new can of worms that doesn’t do anyone much good….Talk to any Pilot that worked for most airlines Most lost all their Retirement….The City and State are facing same situation. These are very interesting Times.

    Jeff could you post Total Compensation by Firefighter for 2011 so we could all look at the Concessions you all gave up and how it effected bottom line numbers and compare 2010 and 2009 Numbers.

    Also Could you Post 2001 Numbers and See How that Contract Effected FF last 10 Years,

    I hate to go back and forth without Real Hard Data.Like you said you need good information when looking at Numbers.

    Thanks…..You probably hate me…..But I appreciate your service and hold Firefighters in Very High Regard as a whole…. but I also see what the City has Sacrificed in many areas. You probably would not have liked to well when I did Turn arounds….Theres times when you have to be realistic…I believe were there.

    Comment by John — May 1, 2012 @ 8:51 pm

  39. Jeff I’m sure you have one like the Patch Did in 2010 with Fire Department only.

    I look forward to 2011 numbers so we have Fresh Look.

    http://alameda.patch.com/articles/salary-and-benefits-alameda-employees-in-2010#pdf-5553352

    Comment by John — May 1, 2012 @ 8:54 pm

  40. Lauren

    The median annual wage of firefighters was $45,250 in May 2010.

    Meaning Half made more and about half made less.

    Are you saying with our Fire Department with Locality premimum of 35% that 1/2 made under 60k and half made over 60K but averaged around 60K.

    I will Donate 500 to the Firemans favorite local Charity if its within that for 2011 for Fulltime Fireman who worked the Full Year.

    Here is the ranges for US

    According to the International City-County Management Association, average salaries in 2008 for sworn full-time positions were as follows:

    •Fire chief: $78,672 to $104,780
    •Deputy chief: $69,166 to $88,571
    •Battalion chief: $66,851 to $81,710
    •Assistant fire chief: $65,691 to $83,748
    •Fire captain: $60,605 to $72,716
    •Fire lieutenant: $50,464 t0 $60,772
    •Engineer: $48,307 to $62,265

    I’m guessing we have either blown thru all these numbers or in top 20% percentile…in 2011

    Were a total of 10 Square Miles.

    Per capita money income in past 12 months (2010 dollars) 2006-2010 $38,434
    Persons below poverty level, percent, 2006-2010 10.1%

    Comment by John — May 1, 2012 @ 9:29 pm

  41. John- I do not have all the salaries for 2011. That usually comes through a public information request at H.R. I’ve never asked what someone makes on a yearly basis personally or professionally. I would love to see the salaries for 2011 because I can promise that it is a lot less than 2010. We had employees working an extra 2 months on average in 2010 with Mandatory Overtime. That means we had to stay whether we wanted to or not. If you go back and watch the council meetings the leadership of our associations was warning the council that the overtime was out of control. With the Safer Grant that we have received the last 2 years we have been able to stabilize the staffing levels for the community while reducing the overtime cost. The International Association of Firefighters have been a major lobbying group for that grant to secure staffing for communities across the United States. Alameda was one of the lucky recipients of the grant in 2010.

    As for 2001, I had less than 18 months on the force, so I wasn’t involved with any type of negotiations. Like I said before we are a partner with the City and Community to figure out how we can sustain the service we provide while providing our members with a fair salary and benefit package. I do not hate anyone for inquiring or engaging in the public process. I’m always available to have a conversation with you in person.

    Comment by Jeff DelBono Alameda Firefighters Association — May 1, 2012 @ 9:55 pm

  42. Jeff

    I’m all for being Fair. I know my perspective on Firefighters is alot higher than you can even imagine…But that is whole another story. I certainly have tons of respect….But something seems way out line…15% of Budget to 34% of Budget tells me it’s not going from spam to ground hamburger at the Firehouse chows..

    I’m sure the Union has all the Numbers as well as the City…Lauren likes to tie me up in ropes so she will probably produce the numbers..LOL

    Have a Great one Jeff

    Comment by John — May 1, 2012 @ 11:40 pm

  43. Getting a little bit back on-topic here, I appreciate at least some of Doug deHaan’s stated intentions in raising the need for campaign finance reform at last night’s meeting. What I was not happy to see was his apparent ignorance of:

    a) what is legally possible in the post-Citizens United legal climate, and

    b) the (perhaps unintended) side effects of what he has proposed in terms of who would be exempt from his proposals and
    how political participation might be restricted in Alameda if his suggestions became law.

    It is a real shame that no jurisdictions–from federal to local–can now reasonably control the attempted buying and selling of p politicians by those with access to large sums of money. And spreading misinformation does not help–whether it’s misinformation about the “fairness” of current salaries and benefits paid to public sector workers or exaggerating the supposed “evils” of union members’ participation in politics by banding together to fight the 1% of company ownership like the Koch brothers.

    Comment by Jon Spangler — May 2, 2012 @ 10:05 am


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