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December 14, 2011

Out of the question and answer

Filed under: Alameda, School — Tags: , — Lauren Do @ 6:02 am

At the November PTA Council meeting, there was discussion about the Labor Negotiations and I was forwarded yesterday some questions that were answered offline by both the School District (AUSD) and the Teacher’s Union (AEA) which I found very enlightening.  So I thought I would share them to those of you that aren’t on the PTA Council mailing lists or were not forwarded a copy from someone who is.

I’ll warn you all in advance, it’s pretty long so you’re on notice.   I thought the answers to the merit pay question was very promising.

I was really concerned by the answer about “problem teachers.”  I mean I had heard that there are problem teachers out there, but because my exposure to teachers is fairly limited I haven’t actually been confronted with one.   My guess is this is probably one of the biggest gripes about the seniority system — and I can’t imagine that “good” teachers (however you want to define that) are pleased with “problem teachers” getting to essentially choose wherever they want to teach and do a questionable job without any real repercussions.

Also, I have to say I’m a bit concerned by the question that implied that teachers were discussing the negotiation issue with students in class.   While it’s probably not an issue in Elementary School, there are some savvy middle and high schoolers that may broach the issue with their teachers.  Although I’m not sure I agree with AUSD’s position of telling the kid to talk to their parents.  School is a place of learning and if a student is interested in learning about this negotiation process, I don’t see why they couldn’t ask their teachers.   As a student who had many, um, “charged” conversations with her teachers — one that required principal intervention — it’s a great way for kids to learn.

So, here they are, enjoy!

Question: Is there a way to reward teachers who bring innovative ideas into the District? i.e., provide targeted merit pay increase to ‘outstanding’ teachers, the definition of outstanding being resolved during contract negotiations?

AEA Response: AEA is happy to discuss any way to increase compensation for teachers. Many of our outstanding teachers have recently begun thinking of leaving the District for the first time in their careers due to the lack of respect they are feeling from the District. Teachers would like to be included in conversations and when it comes to making important educational decisions for our District. Teachers are looking for anything that shows AUSD values outstanding teachers. AUSD has not introduced any ideas about compensation in negotiations and has rejected every offer made by the teachers. A good way to attract teachers with innovative ideas to our District is to change the fact that Alameda’s teachers are paid second to the bottom when compared to 16 surrounding Districts in Alameda County (see attached).

AUSD Response: When we begin negotiations on the full contract in January, we are interested in discussing a variety of possible changes to how we compensate teachers, including the possibility of performance pay.

Question: Why are problem teachers simply moved to another school, often the school of their choice, based on seniority? Is the district working to change this policy, and is AEA willing to work with them to do so?

AEA Response: The contract that AUSD and AEA have agreed upon includes a specific process to offer support to “problem teachers”. Often administrators see this process as extra work. If an administrator is aware of any issues, it is his/her job to offer a teacher support and specific suggestions for improvement. It is up to the administrator to ensure that teachers receive the professional support they need to be successful with students.

AUSD Response: As we discussed at the PTA Council meeting on November 30, when we begin negotiations on the full contract in January, AUSD is interested in discussing a variety of possible changes to the rules on transfer and seniority for teachers.

Current contract language allows teacher to seniority transfer.

Question: Since we have about 15 million dollars in reserves, most of which the District is free to spend, why aren’t we returning K-3, our youngest students to 20 to 1? (Twenty students, one teacher) The District’s web site says it would only cost about half a million to do that. (Website ) http://www.alameda.k12.ca.us/index.php/home/labor-negotiations#7

AEA Response: This is something the teachers have wondered since the District created their FAQ page. According to the budget documents that AUSD submitted to the State (see attached), last year’s unrestricted ending balance was $17.5 Million Dollars. This is over 21% of the District’s budget. The required reserve is 3%. When we compare AUSD’s reserve to 14 surrounding Districts (see attached) Alameda is second to the top. It is vital for our youngest students to get a strong foundation in reading and math in grades K-3. Smaller class size allows teachers to give each student more individualized attention. If we have a large surplus of money, we should be using it on students and the people that work with students daily.

AUSD Response: The reasons we cannot staff classes at a ratio of 20 students to one teacher are explained in the answers to FAQ’s on our website at

http://www.alameda.k12.ca.us/index.php/home/labor-negotiations.

California’s fiscal crisis and political gridlock of recent years continues. Indications are increasing that the State will impose “trigger cuts” in the middle of this school year (cuts built into this year’s state budget that will take place automatically if revenue falls short of projections from last spring) that will result in the loss of millions of dollars of revenue for AUSD. Although conservative budgeting through the use of contingency plans and reserves will enable us to offset those “trigger cuts,” the District cannot afford to incur additional expenses by reducing class sizes further.

The only way that the District can maintain small K-3 classes at 25 to 1 is through the use of Measure A funds. To reduce class sizes to 20, the District would need to make additional on-going budget reductions that it cannot afford to make and still protect the core programs that our community so highly values.

Reducing class size below 25 in K-3 would cost approximately one-half Million dollars per year. In addition, restructuring class sizes from 25 to 20 would be extremely disruptive to elementary families district-wide. Preliminary estimates indicate that approximately 175 K-3 students would be diverted from their current neighborhood elementary schools in order to reduce class sizes from 25 to 20.

Long term, it is unrealistic to expect that the State will continue to fund class size reduction as it has in the past. Most experts believe that class size reduction funding will be eliminated or that the rules will be dramatically altered in future K-12 state budgets. Without state funding, it will be difficult to maintain 25 to 1, much less 20 to 1.

The District believes that by maintaining its fiscally conservative approach to spending and budgeting, we can keep class sizes at 25 to 1, minimize the disruption to elementary students and families, and ensure continuity of elementary staffing and programs.

Question: I’ve heard from parents that some are afraid to express their thoughts on the upcoming contract negotiations with the teachers in fear that they may put their child at risk of retaliation in some form. Would the AEA be willing to send in writing that no ‘retaliation’ will be tolerated towards any child in regards to these contract negotiations if their parents disagree with a teacher’s position?

AEA Response: Of course AEA would never tolerate retaliation over contract negotiations. Our goal is to share information and help parents to understand the truth about what has happened. Teachers welcome conversation about factual information.

AUSD Response: Following up on the statements of agreement made at the PTA council meeting by the Superintendent and AEA President that classroom instructional time must not be used for advocating with students about negotiations, AUSD would strongly support a joint statement by AEA and AUSD that all parties must keep disagreements about negotiations away from children in the classroom. Every teacher’s response as stated by AEA at PTA Council should be: “please ask your parents about this topic.”

In fact, we are preparing a draft statement to this effect that we hope AEA will sign and help publicize.

Question: Besides seniority, step and column, what other factors should go into teachers pay?

AEA Response: AEA is open to any conversation about increasing teacher compensation. I have also attached our salary schedule.

AUSD Response: As noted in the previous question, when we begin negotiations on the full contract in January, we are interesting in discussing a variety of possible changes to how we compensate teachers, including the possibility of performance pay.

If there are issues of concern that parents believe should be addressed in upcoming negotiations or other suggestions, I would encourage parents to email me or your board members so that we can consider your concerns and suggestions as we draft our initial proposals.

Question: I read Ms. Harris oped in the Journal and was surprised to learn that teachers oppose being observed by principals or other administrators, and that this is governed by the contract. Why is this a problem, and in what other field are supervisors barred from watching their employees at work?

AEA Response: Teachers are not opposed to having administrators in their classrooms for the purpose of improving instruction. It can be a benefit to teachers for administrators to spend more time in classrooms. Our contract stipulates what can be used in a teacher’s evaluation, and a supportive administrator can be a key component to successful learning. Unfortunately, several administrators are using classroom visits as a form of harassment. When an administrator sits in a teacher’s class daily taking notes without any conversation with the teacher, the visit is no longer being used to improve instruction. When administrators pull students out of class individually to interview them without any conversation with the teacher, it feels like harassment.

AUSD Response: Principals and other administrators are the instructional leaders of a school site. It is important that they be visible in classrooms observing instruction and providing feedback to improve teaching practices.

AUSD does encourage administrators to make regular informal observations of teachers, in addition to the formal observations specifically required for teacher evaluations.

Question: If the district can not offer wage and benefit increases to the employees, is Kirsten willing to give her’s back?

AEA Response: The Teachers feel that a good leader would not ask for a raise and then claim there is no money for employee salaries.

AUSD Response: As discussed at the PTA Council meeting, the Superintendent’s change in base salary for this year was a scheduled step increase on her salary schedule that would have occurred even under her old contract. All other AUSD employees also receive scheduled increases in base salary (e.g., step and column increases) as they move along salary schedules. 57% of teachers received a 2-7% increase last year.

The possibility that the Superintendent may receive performance pay with her new contract shows that performance pay is one of the possible changes we are interested in discussing regarding how we compensate teachers when we begin negotiations on the full contract in January.

The health care provisions in the Superintendent’s contract are a one-time fix only for the term of this contract to correct the fact that the Superintendent paid 100% of her medical benefits for the first two and a half years she served as Superintendent.

Question: I would like to have information on the contract negotiations on a dollar basis. Instead of discussing a 3% increase with benefits…. What will that cost in dollars?

AEA Response: n/a

AUSD Response: We have performed preliminary fiscal analysis of the latest AEA proposal for a 3% increase for each of three years and full benefits. That analysis is posted on our website here:

http://www.alameda.k12.ca.us/images/stories/pdfs/HR/preliminary_fiscal_analysis_aea_proposal.pdf

As we move forward, we are committed to providing financial analysis of all proposals and hope AEA shares that commitment.

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22 Comments »

  1. So Lauren, what would you do if your child was assigned a teacher who did not receive merit pay, and your neighbor’s child at the same school was assigned one who did?

    I am not against merit pay, as currently teachers are paid more only on seniority. The last five AUSD teachers of the year are not the most highly paid, nor are those who contribute most to their schools compensated for that. But how reluctant might a teacher be to share lesson plans, or information from a useful conference if he/she knew there was competition for a limited amount of merit pay? I think the stipend model might be better.

    Comment by Really? — December 14, 2011 @ 7:06 am

  2. I would envision a performance pay system that wouldn’t be competitive, aka there wouldn’t be a limited pot that as soon as it was depleted teachers would be out of luck. But it should be one that judged teachers based on their performance within the classroom not how they stack up against someone else.

    Comment by Lauren Do — December 14, 2011 @ 7:23 am

  3. Here is our current system of testing touted by some of your posters- the football version. The State uses a negative incentive for failure to meet goals.

    1. All teams must make the state playoffs, and all must win the championship. If a team does not win the championship, they will be on probation until they are the champions, and coaches will be held accountable.

    2. All kids will be expected to have the same football skills at the same time and in the same conditions. No exceptions will be made for interest in football, a desire to perform athletically, or genetic abilities or disabilities. 

    3. Talented players will be asked to work out on their own without instruction. This is because the coaches will be using all their instructional time with the athletes who are not interested in football, have limited athletic ability, or whose parents do not like football.

    4. Games will be played year-round, but statistics will only be kept in the 4th, 8th, and 11th games.

    5. This will create a New Age of sports where every school is expected to have the same level of talent and all teams will reach the same minimal goals. 

    Comment by Really? — December 14, 2011 @ 7:32 am

  4. “As a student who had many, um, “charged” conversations with her teachers — one that required principal intervention —…”

    So you gonna leave us with that little snippet of delinquency, allowing our fertile brains free to generate our own concoctions?

    But on to the meat:

    Question #1
    Poorly formed question. Should have asked about compensating innovative ideas…THAT WERE ADOPTED…by the district. Innovative ideas in themselves mean nothing.

    AEA Response: Dumb, dumb answer. Of course teachers have “begun” thinking about leaving the district. People think about change all the time in order to better themselves. Some examples of teacher ideas that were rejected may have been helpful.

    AUSD: Good answer.

    Question #2
    The premise behind this question and the AEA answer is that ‘problem’ teachers, like problem students, should be coddled and mothered into the fold. AUSD should not be in the business of pleading with teachers to do what they were hired to do. Problem teachers should be put on probation and if there is no improvement, they should be fired.

    Question #3
    Decent question

    AEA Response: Standard answer. More teachers = more dues paying members.

    AUSD answer: Logical and thorough.

    Question #4
    Question assumes the worst from teachers.

    AEA Response: Assumes the BS roll of protector of all that’s decent in the lives of its clients (teachers) and its client’s clients (students).

    Question #5 (pay)
    AEA & AUSD Response: Boilerplate. Why bother posting the question?

    Question #6 (big brother watching)
    Good question.

    AEA answer: Begs the question, why in god’s name is this item even addressed in a contract? This is part and parcel of what is bad about having a third party (union) meddling in a relationship between an employer and employee.

    AUSD answer: Good answer.

    Question #6 (give us what she got or we’ll hold our breath)

    AEA Response: None of their business but the ‘real dear leaders’ put their two-bits in anyway by calling the ‘so-called’ leader a poor leader.

    AUSD answer: Standard explanation without justifying.

    Final Question: How does one google?

    AEA answer: What’s google?

    AUSD: answer: Enough already with these dumb questions!

    Comment by Jack Richard — December 14, 2011 @ 9:17 am

  5. Jack: Problem teachers are put on probation , are given help, and if they don’t improve are fired or retire, or move to another District. Many more teachers are not retained because they are on probation, or leave teaching because they cannot handle it. The number of teachers voluntarily leaving or who are not retained far exceed the ones who are fired.

    As far as observation by administrators goes, what makes you think a principal is an expert on instruction? A principal is a former teacher who could not handle the low pay and got out, not a master teacher. How many principals have won teaching awards? Did your boss know more than you about your job or your accounts? Most do not. Administrators do a “drive by” a few times a year, and even if they drop in 2 more times, does this constitute a fair review of work? Instead it becomes a cult of personality. That is the reason teachers object. A reasonable system would have parent, student, administrator, and department input, along with test score improvement, Grade level improvement, school improvement and District goal improvement. But that would be too expensive. Instead they go for 2 visits a year.

    Comment by Really? — December 14, 2011 @ 9:49 am

  6. So you are or are not conflating Q #2 with #6, ie., problem teachers and big brother watching? You seem to be connected to the subject parties so why isn’t your answer to #2 included in the AEA or AUSD responses? I only commented on what was written in the post since I have no insight on the internecine machinations of the three parties or their involvement with each other.

    Comment by Jack Richard — December 14, 2011 @ 10:31 am

  7. seriously, when we don’t have money for cost of living increases, where do we get money for merit pay? Maybe dismantle seniority system and step increases and reconfigure entire pay system? If that were the case I would expect low starting salaries to be ameliorated, but since the seniority and step systems are not something unique to AUSD or invented by AEA, I think maybe we look to California Teachers Association for some guidance before the administration gets too innovative.

    from above:

    Question: Besides seniority, step and column, what other factors should go into teachers pay?

    AUSD Response: As noted in the previous question, when we begin negotiations on the full contract in January, we are interesting in discussing a variety of possible changes to how we compensate teachers, including the possibility of performance pay.

    Like much in district FAQs and Ms. Vital’s My Word, as well as in other answers above, this sounds very reasonable, but without specifics it doesn’t mean much.

    Comment by M.I. — December 14, 2011 @ 3:40 pm

  8. Heres a thought.

    How about First looking at all the Student Needs.

    Give them all the physical things they need to be succesful to attend School.

    Then look at the Fixed costs at the Schools and the Buildings and quit deferring all the costs thinking.

    Then look at what it costs to maintain those.

    After all that is taken care of you can then Start thinking about what is left to pay people.

    The Schools are to take care of the Students First. Not Administrators Teachers Consultants ECT ECT ECT.

    Comment by John — December 14, 2011 @ 4:48 pm

  9. John, if there’s one thing schools need… it’s teachers.

    Comment by Jack B. — December 14, 2011 @ 4:52 pm

  10. The Kids Don’t have 200 Million to spend in last 10 years to buy protection and take care of them first like the Teachers Union has spent to take care of them.

    Comment by John — December 14, 2011 @ 4:57 pm

  11. Yes Jack they need Teachers. But they come after all the Students needs get taken care of First.

    Like Class Room supplies…Heat in Frkn Classrooms…..Sports Equipment…Pools …Computers…Learning Software…Text Books which can probably be almost phased out and replaced by Kindle Type device…

    Comment by John — December 14, 2011 @ 5:05 pm

  12. I believe that parents of kids in AUSD should have more skin in the game. As it is now, many parents could care less what happens to their kids after they leave the house in the morning until they return, whenever.

    If the citizens of this city want and need to shell out for other people’s kids to attend a baby sitting class the system becomes what it is. Many, many kids go to school for serious reasons and their parents attend their schooling needs but what about that other group who could care less.

    If a kid’s parents are paying a parcel tax, they at least have greater motivation to make sure their money is well spent and the kid is in school for a good reason. But many other parents pay nothing yet enjoy the same level of teaching. So what’s their motivation to see their kid get something out of attendance? Where’s their skin in the game?

    The parents of kids who aren’t paying parcel tax should be contributing to the education of their kids monetarily.

    Comment by Jack Richard — December 14, 2011 @ 5:47 pm

  13. The Teachers mindset reminds me of a Coach I had at AHS back when Dinosaurs Roamed Alameda.

    The Sport had a budget for Equipment and we were always given the minimum and lowest quality.

    I had knowledge of the Budget and this coach had coached this sport for years and never questioned about the money and how it was being spent and had won League Championships for 16 years Straight.

    Everyone Complained about the crap he provided for the Students and we pretty much bought all the equipment for ourselves..

    I confronted him about where all the money was going and where has all the money been going the last 15 years.. Was never really challenged on where the money was going.

    Next year We had All New Equipment and the Highest quality and Everyone was Shocked because it had become what a joke what we had been recieving.

    He had been using the money as his own little piggy bank instead of using it on the Students.

    Comment by John — December 14, 2011 @ 5:52 pm

  14. Ouch, John that’s quite a charge…You were a swimmer? What proof do you have to support what otherwise would be a libelous and slanderous accusation?

    Comment by Really? — December 14, 2011 @ 7:12 pm

  15. I was not a Swimmer.

    Comment by John — December 14, 2011 @ 8:17 pm

  16. I was a Student Body Officer who had input into where all the money was being spent in the High School. We played an active roll in where and how money was used. I’m sure you have taken all that responsibilty away from the Students for their own good. The Coach I’m referring to is probably having a few Cocktails in Heaven about now. Probably more infamous for that.LOL

    Comment by John — December 14, 2011 @ 8:29 pm

  17. Chuck, John?

    Comment by Jack Richard — December 14, 2011 @ 8:36 pm

  18. I don’t want to “Stretch” the truth Jack. There are some great stories .We had many laughs about it with him there and without. He was a Classic.

    Comment by John — December 14, 2011 @ 8:46 pm

  19. Chuck wouldn’t have done that, “Strecht” maybe so.

    Comment by John P. — December 14, 2011 @ 9:37 pm

  20. Really

    If the Students would have been included and played intricate part in the budgets and funding the last 10-15 years do you think you would have so many alienated Students. They know they are getting screwed and don’t have much trust in the system. How much has total compensation increased in last 10-15 years for Teachers and Administrators as you take away basics for the students to line your pockets. They are a hell of alot smarter than you think. The parents can’t say anything do to having their child in the District and fearing retaliation. Perfect Storm the Teachers Union has Designed to hold district at Gun Point for their demands.

    Comment by John — December 14, 2011 @ 9:54 pm

  21. Chuck was the Best! I hold him in Highest regards.

    I also thought the World of Stretch…….He just got caught..LOL

    Comment by John — December 14, 2011 @ 9:57 pm

  22. Stretch at least stood up and made things right.

    I wonder if the Teachers Union and District will do that for the Students now.

    Comment by John — December 14, 2011 @ 10:19 pm


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