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August 23, 2011

Skimp on the barbie

Filed under: Alameda — Lauren Do @ 6:10 am

Can I just say that I am so glad that John Birdsall is back and writing for the East Bay Express?   He was easily one of the best things about the alt weekly.    About a month ago he wrote up a review for a barbecue joint in Berkeley which had some general history about his opinions on California barbecue.  Notwithstanding the reaming he received in the comments sections from the overzealous foodies that populate the internet these days attempting to show that they indeed know so much more than paid food writers, the piece was interesting and, to be honest, I like reading restaurant reviews as much as the next person.

However, the review about this barbecue restaurant made me sort of sad about Alameda’s barbecue restaurant scene which went from bright to rather grim.  At one point Alameda had no less than four operating barbecue restaurants: Great American Barbecue, Everett and Jones, Bonnie’s Southern Style Barbecue, and Ben’s Barbecue.   Now, only Great American Barbecue is left open, the other three have since closed.

I don’t know if it says more about the Alameda appetite for barbecue or the actual barbecue itself, but it’s rather sad that small joints like Bonnie’s and Ben’s couldn’t stay open.   I don’t feel too much pity for E&J since it’s technically a chain even though family owned.

I never ate at Bonnie’s, but Ben’s and E&J were okay, it wasn’t “ohmigod this is the best stuff ever” food, but face it, there aren’t a lot of restaurants in Alameda that can really lay claim to that sort of reaction.   Basically, having Ben’s and E&J’s on the West End was better than having no barbecue joints on the West End.  So it makes me sort of sad when I read reviews of restaurants opening in places that already have a pretty good saturated market for that sort of cuisine.

The best Alameda can do, apparently, is burger joints.   Recently the Park Street Association blog noted that the Original Red Onion would be opening soon on Park Street in the old aquarium spot.  The Original Red Onion holds a special place in my heart since apparently this is the same Original Red Onion that has been operating in Pinole for as long as I can remember.   Original Red Onion was where all the kids would get these bags of fries (yeah yeah) for lunch but it’s essentially yet another burger joint.   Alameda is fairly saturated already with burger places between Burgermeister, Pearl’s, Alameda Grill, Nation’s, and Scolari’s offerings.   Not to mention the ubiquitous burger that shows up on most menus anyway.   Although I have to say, having recently tried TrueBurger in Oakland, that burger is divine and the fact that they have a sign on the wall with Kelis lyrics makes me smile.

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23 Comments »

  1. Thanks for EBX link, that was a most interesting piece.

    And barbecue IS getting better in the Bay Area but it still needs a lot of work. Two problems that seem to run throughout the area are insufficient or diluted smoke and dry, flavorless pork (beef is generally better quality). I’ve had some pork that tasted more like tofu.

    I wonder if environmental issues play in with the smoke. For example, one can walk by Great American w/o a whiff of smoke because of their very efficient filters in the air vents. It’s in a residential zone so that’s only proper, and speaks very well of GAB as a neighbor, but it does seem to really weaken the flavor & quality. Have noted same/similar at other places. As for the pork’s dryness & lack of flavor in these parts, I just don’t get that. Good quality pork IS available here, though one must often work to find it.

    One little personal bright spot recently was Looney’s in Berkeley & Oakland. I had my first SC-style sauce in years there. It inspired me to make my own & I’ve recently perfected it.

    Comment by dave — August 23, 2011 @ 6:36 am

  2. Also, I recently found a good recipe for ribs in, of all places, the Wall Street Journal. Rum & Coke ribs:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303339904576406013966460004.html

    The recipe recommends pan roasting, almost braising, on the grill but they are vastly better in the smoker and foil/towel/coolered. Use dark rum in the sauce and maybe a touch more tabasco, but just a touch.

    Comment by dave — August 23, 2011 @ 6:45 am

  3. How can we be both a “green” town AND a BBQ town?

    Comment by Regular John — August 23, 2011 @ 7:48 am

  4. 3 eat some spinach with your bbq.

    Little bbq joint in Marion KY by the railroad track, drive up window, smoke coming out the roof day and night…best sauce I’ve tasted. Wife was in Marion last year and brought a bunch of the sauce home. She told me the guy in the joint said nobody ever asked for sauce to go, so he had to run around to find a container for it, then figure out how to price it.

    First I ever heard of bbq was in the Navy in Memphis TN while in tech school. One of my buddies was from N Carolina and took me to a bbq place downtown Memphis, telling me we were going to get a bbq. I thought he meant a hamburger on a bun cooked on a bbq grill, ha…revelation!

    Comment by Jack Richard — August 23, 2011 @ 8:39 am

  5. http://www.roadfood.com/Restaurant/Overview/3665/marion-pit-barbq

    Comment by Jack Richard — August 23, 2011 @ 8:49 am

  6. I did not get around to eating at Bonnie’s. A friend said the service was awful. To make in business in this economy, you have to be at the top of your game AND lucky. I will say in being a near daily visitor to Park Street, I’ve seen ‘em come and I’ve seen ‘em go. What astounds me is the lack of research and planning that aspiring entrepeneurs put into choice of business, location, hours of operation, etc. Even a modest business is going to cost you everything you’ve got in money, time, and energy. You’d better do your homework or you are doomed to fail spectacularly. A couple of businesses I’d like to see in town are an Ihop (seriously, try the one in Emeryville–good food and value) and Honeybaked Ham store. Not on Park Street per se, maybe at the mall. This is not the time for a gift store for example, and even in the best of times a new restaurant needs enough backing to lose money for three years to make it.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — August 23, 2011 @ 10:13 am

  7. I found Bonnie’s service fine, the food was the problem. It was THE WORST barbecue I’ve ever had, spectacularly so. I went back a second time assuming that maybe a mistake had been made or the chef had an emergency that night & the janitor filled in, or something — I just couldn’t believe it could be so awful. It was.

    Comment by dave — August 23, 2011 @ 10:41 am

  8. I wonder how Pearl’s is doing? The food is great but for those prices I expect a little more ambiance. The nasty cracked concrete floor is depressing and the walls could use a little artwork.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — August 23, 2011 @ 10:48 am

  9. Best barbecue I’ve ever had was at Hog Heaven in Durham, NC. Best fried chicken at Bea’s Restaurant in Chattanooga. Bea’s has no menu. It’s all you can eat and they just keep bringing chicken and sides until you beg them to stop. Their motto: Eat ’til You Die!

    Comment by Denise Shelton — August 23, 2011 @ 10:56 am

  10. Nothing like lemonade with your bbq.

    http://youtu.be/04MNf1YdNxI

    Comment by Jack Richard — August 23, 2011 @ 12:15 pm

  11. #10 Great video, Jack! Keep ‘em comin’! Guess that woman cop doesn’t know about freedom of the press. What fascists.

    Comment by vigi — August 23, 2011 @ 12:54 pm

  12. Jack after they get out of Jail they should run by Angelines in Berkeley for some Cajun. Pretty good fix

    http://www.angelineskitchen.com/sites/all/files/Menu_Lunch.pdf

    Comment by John — August 23, 2011 @ 1:50 pm

  13. Tried to go to E&J’s on Webster last year. Despite the door being unlocked and the open sign being lit, the lady at the counter ignored us for at least a few minutes before turning to tell us that the restaurant was closed. I don’t have much sympathy for its failure.

    Comment by AK — August 23, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

  14. Semper Vigilatus, vigi

    Wonder if they have a permit for the lemonade, John.

    Comment by Jack Richard — August 23, 2011 @ 2:14 pm

  15. They do a great job on everything Jack…..Their food is only second to their sense of spirit and service.

    The Lemonade Stand video will make most pucker. Common sense and respect has left the Building.

    Comment by John — August 23, 2011 @ 2:32 pm

  16. Shouldn’t take Great American BBQ for granted either, I believe we have a good thing going here; very decent food and service to go along with it. Sorry to say I can’t eat there as often as I’d like, but the community needs to make the effort to keep good business owners “in business” by patronizing them and give them a chance to make a living and also contribute towards our community. Work of mouth (literally and figuratively!) is one of the best things we can do for places like this, god only knows what we’ll do if they are forced to leave!

    Comment by Anthony Bologna Jr. — August 23, 2011 @ 2:39 pm

  17. 16
    I agree too bad we can’t have them closer to the action though…Webster St.

    Comment by Jack Richard — August 23, 2011 @ 3:31 pm

  18. Now your talking Jack, Great American BBQ on Webster st. sounds just right, they can even get the old E&J building.

    Comment by John P. — August 23, 2011 @ 4:06 pm

  19. Good idea John P. AK in #13 is indicative of E&J’s customer relations. Every time I went in the place it reminded me of the Seinfeld Soup Nazi without the efficiency. Solved that problem by not going in.

    Comment by Jack Richard — August 23, 2011 @ 5:22 pm

  20. I think parking is one of the issues. E&J was much easier in that little strip “mall” up near the base than on Webster.

    Comment by LindaonOtisSt — August 23, 2011 @ 5:54 pm

  21. E&J’s from Yelp:

    We still ate there because we were starving and at that point just had a taste for bbq. But really, what they did was incredibly rude and lacked any sense of service or courteousy to their customers. LinLin L- SF

    Our server didn’t smile. I dont think she enjoys her job. Sun Kheng T.- SF

    Stay away from the bar!!! The bartender is extremely rude and down right insulting!!! I wasn’t going to add this at first but F it, here’s my problem with her. Once I met a friend there for drinks, I was paying and tipping as I drank and my friend run a tab. My friend settled his tab, and after looking at the bill, a strange expression came across her face. I don’t know if he didn’t tip her or what, but in actuality I had tipped enough for the both of us. He then ordered another drink after he settled his tab and decided to pay cash for it, this time I know he didn’t tip, because when he got his change back he started playing with the loose change as we talked. She then began to glare, I mean it was damn near a 1000 yard stare. So I asked her “sweetheart what’s wrong” “NOTHING, NOTHING’S WRONG, WHY SOMETHING GOTTA BE WRONG!?!” “Well you’re over there looking at us like you’re mad” “I DON’T KNOW IF IT’S A CULTURAL THING OR WHAT, BUT WHY DO YOU BLACK PEOPLE ALWAYS THINK SOMEONE IS MEAN MUGGING THEM!!!”

    First I was shocked being that she’s African American or African or whatever, then I was heated who in the hell is she to make a comment like that. The bar was full and I really didn’t want to get into it with her right there so I left. To this day I still hate going there, it has to be really extreme circumstances for me to go. Luke B- Oakland

    Just some…

    Comment by Jack Richard — August 23, 2011 @ 6:01 pm

  22. I liked Everett and Jones pulled pork…but the sides were limited…and they place became more and more disorganized. I waited for over 45 minutes once for my order to go and the place wasn’t busy. Some guys walked in and I told the server to give them my order and left…they got a free dinner and I went somewhere else…I think Burger King.

    There are a couple of new places on Webster…Cafe Jolie (I think that is the name) looking about ready to open in the old Tillie’s, and 1040 which is in the old New Zealander. Their is also Cafe Rio in the old Everett and Jones, Ben’s Barbecue place next to the front gate of the base (open for breakfast and lunch). We need to support these places if they are any good in order to keep them in business.

    Comment by Joe — August 23, 2011 @ 8:44 pm

  23. I think GAB ought to stay right where they are and continue doing what they do so well. Its nice to be able to get something on the way home from work without having to double back. There are lots of different BBQ styles, I’d like to see more variety. We haven’t had good teriyaki since Ginger and Rose were at what is now Greer’s Mortuary.

    BBQ, like other food, deflates over time. Usually I find that if I go in to any take-out early in the run, things are moist and fresh, if I go in late they are often limp and dry.

    Not BBQ, but I really enjoyed my salad and sandwich at Ken & Peg Dorrance’s new café addition at Blanding & Broadway.

    Comment by Li_ — August 24, 2011 @ 9:43 am


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