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February 25, 2011

What’s new pussycat?

Based on all the community meetings and the survey on line, City Staff has  analyzed all the responses which will be presented in a enormous report the first week of April.   However they did provide a digest of major findings in this update which will be presented for comment to the Planning Board on Monday.

Staff broke down the major categories and then what most people were in agreement with one another and what they disagreed on.   So here is my digest of their digest.

Land Use

Agreement: redevelopment and reuse should be a variety of mixed use, transit oriented districts that provide jobs, affordable housing, and passive and active public open spaces and facilities.   Strong support of job  creation.  Walkable neighborhoods.  Also understanding that amount of development will dictate traffic impacts as well as producing revenue for infrastructure, historic preservation, and public facilities.

Differences: no agreement on the number of housing units appropriate for the site.

Building Types

Agreement: architecturally should reflect Alameda’s existing neighborhood.  Steer away from “homogeneous” suburban style developments.  Walkable neighborhoods.  Variety of housing types (aka not Measure A compliant).

Differences: Building heights.

Recreation, Parks and Open Space

Agreement: Open space framework in PDC supported.  Diversity of park types.  Strong interest in nature and conservation areas.  Partnerships with regional and national agencies for maintenance.

If trade off need to be made passive parks are preferred over active recreation spaces.

Differences: conflict as to which recreation facilities are more important

Historic Preservation

Agreement: Administrative Core sub area, Residential sub area, and hangars most important to retain. “Big Whites”, the theatre, the Naval Air Museum,
the Hornet Museum and the Flight Control Tower popular as well.

Differences: how many buildings to be preserved and how to allocate resources for preservation

Transportation and Mobility

Agreement:  Concern with peak commute time at tube highest priority.  Most important solution to consider is faster service to BART.  Pedestrian and bicycle improvements should be integral design element to encourage alternative transportation methods.

Differences: some skeptical that non-auto related transportation is effective.

Community Benefits and Facilities

Agreement: Highest priority is passive recreation facilities, affordable housing, and historic preservation.  People would prefer to delay new ferry terminal in Seaplane Lagoon, marina facilities, branch library, and active sports facilities.

Differences: difference on what certain constituent groups feel is important, essentially staff is saying that if trade-offs need to be made, there is going to be big debates in the community about what goes in first.

Honestly though, is there anything there that anyone is really surprised about?   I don’t think I learned anything new necessarily and you know that when the findings don’t agree with what some people think 100% they are going to complain that this doesn’t represent what the “true” community actually thinks or believes should happen at Alameda Point.

I’ll point out that I actually wrote in under the building types section that I thought that Alameda Point should have its own unique look and not try to mimic traditional Alameda architecture in every single place.   Lots of truly historic neighborhoods in historic cities have more modern buildings that live side-b- side historic ones and it works out beautifully.   It’s less about the period or type of architecture and more about the quality of the architecture.   But whatev.

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46 Comments »

  1. Nice to see a staff report that presents what happened at the meetings. I only attended the third one, but the summary definitely matches what was reported out there.

    Comment by John Knox White — February 25, 2011 @ 7:03 am

  2. I went to 2 of the meetings and I was hearing that most people there wanted no more than 2000 housing units. When I sat at the land use table (2nd meeting) not a single person wanted more than that.

    Comment by Jack B. — February 25, 2011 @ 7:06 am

  3. at the third meeting, there were a few that said “not more than x” but many more that said “i have no idea what number.”

    At that meeting, numerous report-outs from various groups (and my memory is that the papers reported this from other meetings as well) was that people wanted “as few houses as possible, but that ‘more’ would be acceptable to make the development feasible” (just to avoid being accused for pushing for a number, the housing numbers and what “more” meant were not specifically defined at the meeting I was at).

    Comment by John Knox White — February 25, 2011 @ 7:33 am

  4. I still think the best solution for the Point is a high-security medical marijuana farming facility. If only those pesky Feds didn’t stand in our way!

    Comment by Denise Shelton — February 25, 2011 @ 7:41 am

  5. At the last meeting I was at the Recreation, Parks and Open Space table. Passive open space wasn’t the preferred use. There was talk of people friendly plazas, pleasant walking and biking environments, and developing sports facilities where regional tournaments could be held that would be a financial and attractive asset to the City.

    Comment by Joan Konrad — February 25, 2011 @ 8:39 am

  6. One thing they should not do is pursue the Berkeley Lab. Terrible idea.

    Scenario:
    Non tax paying Gov takes, for free, prime world class land, builds a bunch of industrial buildings on the taxpayer dime, imports a bunch of already working employees who live in Danville.

    15 years hence
    Gov decides to de-fund the Lab due to country is broke or because constitution amended to include balanced budget requirement. Result. 2 million more square feet of empty industrial floor space to accompany the 10 million we already have in this city.

    Benefit to Alameda = minus zero

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 8:54 am

  7. #4 and #5
    How about a 10 acre medical marjiuana farm with people friendly plazas and walking and biking trails through out the site.

    Comment by John piziali — February 25, 2011 @ 10:23 am

  8. Or a pick and roll your own mary patch

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 10:52 am

  9. 4, 5, 7, 8:

    With all the toxins in the ground (even after the USN is done with its commercial-level cleanup) there would be lots of unwanted (toxic) “extras” in the finished product if one planted all those plants in AP’s dirt.

    A hydroponic or raised-bed facility would be the only options, IMHO. (The planst would already be “high” in either case, as in above ground…:-)

    Comment by Jon Spangler — February 25, 2011 @ 11:00 am

  10. Well, your dreams could come true if New Mayor Gilmore’s buddy John ends up as the City Manager… http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/archives/2011/02/25/friday-must-read-russo-is-a-finalist-for-alameda-city-mangers-job-opd-apologizes-for-raid

    Comment by Adam Gillitt — February 25, 2011 @ 11:18 am

  11. Great bud grows best, I’m told, in chicken manure anyway, so the raised beds could be perfect. With the wind blowing in the right direction, we could all be attending “Alameda Highs!”

    These citizen meetings about AP have been going on sporadically for years. I doubt there’s any way to “mimic existing architecture” though. Queen Annes? Craftsman cottages? Garden apartments? Unlikely. More likely we get lots of stucco and cookie cutters like some of the most recent in-fill projects.

    I’m surprised these citizen groups didn’t come up with some sort of “Cap” and senior exemption for the Point, as they obviously did for Measure A.

    Comment by Dennis Green — February 25, 2011 @ 11:31 am

  12. 10
    No effin way!

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 11:46 am

  13. 11.
    So smelling chicken shit is an Alameda High? You’re probably right.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 11:49 am

  14. 10. Yeah Adam, Marie and John are friends, but Russo is also highly qualified and an interesting choice I would personally support. I also think Jean Quan is the one who was gung-ho on Oakland pot farms and that Russo was being more circumspect.

    The down side of hiring John Russo would be how the friendship with the mayor would feed the rumor mill and allow people like you to keep us mired in unfounded innuendo. I was looking forward to making a clean break from all that.

    Comment by M.I. — February 25, 2011 @ 11:52 am

  15. So, Mark, you’re cool with someone with no City Manager experience, that gave almost $2K in donations to the three City Council members who violated the City Charter to get rid of the previous City Manager (he IS a City Attorney, so one would think he’d know better) having the inside track to being hired as City Manager? (http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/archives/2011/02/25/russo-donated-heavily-to-alameda-politicians)

    That’s a fascinating definition of “clean break” you enjoy in Ironsville.

    Comment by Adam Gillitt — February 25, 2011 @ 12:04 pm

  16. By the way, that’s the same John Russo who’s been working with SunCal to get them back in the picture in Oakland… http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=7893138

    Comment by Adam Gillitt — February 25, 2011 @ 12:11 pm

  17. Obviously, hydroponics or raised beds would be the way to go. The less digging done in that dirt the better. If they choose Russo, it would be a shame since cronies are a sure magnet for criticism and we’ll have more grist for the rumor mill. Jack, we can’t ever agree on anything for long. Viva la LAB!!!! (Remember to go to the Facebook page “Alameda Loves the Lab” and choose “Like” if you don’t share Jack’s opinion of the idea. As a bonus, this might even piss Jack off, which always results in some colorful quips.)

    Comment by Denise Shelton — February 25, 2011 @ 12:11 pm

  18. 17
    No effin hydroponics! Just leave some of the lagoon mud in that wading pool they built and plant baby plant. The toxic will give it a little marketable kick.

    Course with the lab there, god knows what the lab rats could come up with during their lunch time.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 12:26 pm

  19. 16. Adam I followed your link but if I understand it… Russo was trying to get them to pay for the cleanup.

    “Bankruptcy is not a chance to get out of obeying the law,” Russo said.

    How is that trying to get Suncal “back in the picture”?

    Comment by Jack B. — February 25, 2011 @ 12:43 pm

  20. Yes, it was Russo (his office) that forced Lehman/SunCal to clean up the Oak Knoll site.

    Judge Approves Lehman Cash to Clean Up Oak Knoll

    http://www.oaklandcityattorney.org/PDFS/News%20Release/Oak%20Knoll%20court%20approves%20deal%201.11.10.pdf

    Oakland is likely the only local government in California – and perhaps the first city in the nation – to secure this level of funding from the Lehman bankruptcy estate. …

    In the agreement, Lehman will fund $3.7 million to demolish ramshackle, World War II-era buildings, remove asbestos, clean up debris and secure the vacant Oak Knoll hospital. The funding is in addition to $550,000 already released by Lehman… SunCal Companies is responsible for managing and directing the clean-up of the property.

    Comment by LokelYokel — February 25, 2011 @ 12:59 pm

  21. 19
    How is that trying to get Suncal “back in the picture”?

    Maybe this way.

    “SunCal Companies is responsible for managing and directing the clean-up of the property.”

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 2:10 pm

  22. sorry Yok, didn’t read your # 20 well.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 2:30 pm

  23. I know this was about the lab but it turned into a John Russo for City Manager discussion. If he becomes the City Manager then my honeymoon with this new administration will certainly be over! No one is denying Russo is smart, talented and a think on his feet type of a guy. But didn’t we just get rid of a City Manager who was playing politics. Russo won’t be able to help himself, HE IS A POLITICIAN PEOPLE!! I am very disappointed in Mayor Gilmore for putting herself in a position of potentially hiring a person who vocally supported Lina Tam during the investigation AND gave money to her (Gilmore’s) own campaign. In Gilmore’s own words, “if there is even an appearance of impropriety, don’t do it (said at the Council meeting discussing Gallant’s association with an underwriter).” Don’t do this Mayor Gilmore, there is MORE, MORE, MORE than an appearance. Keep yourself and my hero Bonta hands clean.

    Comment by Jason Gee — February 25, 2011 @ 2:56 pm

  24. 15. the City charter violation is has not been substantiated and the accusation is immaterial with regard to Russo’s qualifications. The “clean break” was in reference to NOT hiring Russo in order to avoid having to listen to people like you belly ache.

    John’s work in Oakland makes him qualified. Recall that assistant City Attorney Brandt became assistant City Attorney here. He was better qualified than either person he assisted.

    I have nothing to say about $2 in donations. They were legal political donations. You think he was hedging his bets to buy a job in Alameda in case Quan got elected? Russo is a political ally of both Lena and Marie. I don’t expect you to like that, but it has no bearing on competence.

    Comment by M.I. — February 25, 2011 @ 3:30 pm

  25. “Hearing people like you bellyache…” In other words, if you disagree with me, you’re just bellyaching. Unlike me, when I criticize other people or even have an obscene, emotional breakdown on-screen. Whoa! How’s that for self-control?

    Russo may be exactly what we deserve, like Gilmore, Bonta and Tam. For that matter, we shouldn’t be concerned about SunCal, because the Slate has promised not to have anything to do with them. Or benefit from all those election tricks and mailers…

    Gettin’ surreal again, folks!

    Comment by Dennis Green — February 25, 2011 @ 5:32 pm

  26. Time to juxtapose:

    Elected officials such as Russo are usually paid a flat rate on the premise that as long as the voters are happy, the officials can work whatever schedule they please.

    Oakland City Attorney John Russo boosted his $207,000 salary by $28,000 this year by giving himself management leave and vacation pay typically reserved for non-elected department heads and managers, city records show.

    http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-12-19/bay-area/17274525_1_city-auditor-city-administrator-vacation-time

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 5:35 pm

  27. Is this blog some kind of Cult?

    Comment by frank — February 25, 2011 @ 5:57 pm

  28. Alameda’s a cult.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 6:10 pm

  29. 17. Back to the topic.

    Denise, show me where in Lauren’s post where there was agreement between the participants of the community meetings, that there should be mega industrial buildings built on the most prime of all the property out there.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 6:28 pm

  30. Oh, Jack. Like they are ever really going to follow the public pulse on anything. They are going to do what the market will bear, no more, no less. I was in favor of the theatre, but honestly, all those meetings and inquiries on what the “people” wanted were just window dressing. They knew they were going ahead regardless.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — February 25, 2011 @ 6:50 pm

  31. OK, I semi-agree with you that the post is all pretension. but tell me again why you want the Lab, please.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 7:08 pm

  32. First of all, it’s SCIENCE not industry. Something we need a lot more of. Also, it would take care of the development of a parcel at the Point that doesn’t depend on the speculation of ticky tacky houses or big box stores. And I do think once they see how nice it is here and how much more affordable than Danville (if that is indeed where the scientists live–I wonder) they will buy houses. Plus, I just love smart people. The more smart people we vote onto the island the better. Slick we got plenty. Smart, not so much–present company accepted.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — February 25, 2011 @ 7:25 pm

  33. OK, I semi-agree with you, but have you driven though Emeryville on Sundays? They ain’t there!

    Who wants a bunch of SCIENCE that leaves the scene on weekends and evenings with nothing left but hollow structures?

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 7:38 pm

  34. Sounds divine. What were you planning to do, pack a lunch and watch ‘em think?

    Comment by Denise Shelton — February 25, 2011 @ 7:47 pm

  35. No. They are not there in my scenario. Instead of thinkers thinking I’ve got living people living.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 7:51 pm

  36. That’s because all your favorite thinkers are dead Professor History.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — February 25, 2011 @ 7:54 pm

  37. Unfortunately, true. So I have to deal with the reality of thinkers who can’t recall the past.

    Do you or do you not think that the Navy base closer was good for Alameda?

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 8:11 pm

  38. It’s Friday night! I can’t answer that question. Although I do think it’s ironic that Webster Street is probably the only place in the Bay Area to have fewer tattoo parlors today than it did in 1990.

    Comment by Denise Shelton — February 25, 2011 @ 8:14 pm

  39. Ok, I can, fast forward 12 years to a Friday Webster St. night. In 1990, it was vibrant, sailors out doing or looking to do what sailors do. You may not have liked it but…

    In 2023 it’s a ghost street with a few boutiques closed in the evening and weekends because they cater to wealthy Danville residents who have to commute to Alameda during the week days but are gone on weekends.

    No tattoo parlors.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 8:39 pm

  40. No. Too Rod Serling. I can answer. I think the Naval Air Station was great for Alameda at the time. We just haven’t kept pace with the evolution. I have nothing against fit young guys in uniform. But we could not prevent them from going away. We need to look to the future and try to make it as significant and potent as it used to be. That can’t mean overpriced waterfront MacMansions. If only we could just grow that marihootchie!

    Comment by Denise Shelton — February 25, 2011 @ 8:53 pm

  41. Yes, I agree, the city of Alameda is better off with the naval base closed. Significant and potent, though?

    In my mind, what’s significant is utilizing the property in a manner that takes the most advantage of its location. The area that was selected for the SCIENCE is a world class location. And it should be utilized in the most potent manner possible.

    Science does just as well in the middle of a desert. Nobody cares where it’s done. Science doesn’t appreciate location. Scientists will go where science is.

    This is a one time thing. Once those buildings are built, it’s a done deal. We’re throwing the dice and hoping all our dreams come true. I think the better method is to do this gradually without jumping into something we may regret.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 25, 2011 @ 9:56 pm

  42. Hey, I really like to listen to you two going back and forth, its kind of a nice smooth debate. I don’t have a big problem with the lab. coming to the base. Its just that it should be back away from the Water, like originally R&D type development was to be where the Alameda Aero Space buidling is and the storage rental area is now.
    Jack I don’t think that most people would agree with me or you on going slow to develop the base.

    I also don’t think that people realize we could not do anything in the Seaplane Lagoon until it is cleaned up completely. So the city has not just been sitting on its hands for fourteen years doing nothing, it has been waiting for things to get cleaned up and for the right plan to come along. I’ll know it when I see it, and I haven’t yet,

    Comment by John piziali — February 26, 2011 @ 10:56 am

  43. John, my biggest beef with this Lab business is the location and the freebie price. Although, I frankly don’t think the city should be saddled with another huge government agency. I would much prefer private sector development…incrementally.

    What’s now the Aero Sp building was the Missile building (530) building when the Navy was still there. The building was designed and built for test and repair of guidance and control sections of air-launch missiles (no rocket motors or warheads, all electronic and pneudraulics). It was the only depot level repair facility in the world for component level repair of US and NATO and other country’s air launched missiles(later sea launched anti-aircraft missiles as well).

    You’ll notice there are no windows in the building (other than the front lobby) and no one could enter without proper clearance. I was lucky enough to have worked in that cloistered building from the day it opened to the day it closed. Great job.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 26, 2011 @ 11:42 am

  44. Jack, I worked on that building after it was closed by the Navy. The first time I went in all the people working in there only spoke Russian I think. They were working as sub-contractors for somebody. I did a lot of small repairs and installed lockers and misc. stuff.

    They were working on a lot of insturments, things like “black boxes” and guages. it was very interesting. I also had a relative who worked there probably when you did. First name was Van.

    Comment by John piziali — February 27, 2011 @ 11:20 am

  45. John, in the back of my memory (which isn’t far) I seem to remember some guy named Van but I looked in the 1940-1980 forty year NARF anniversary yearbook (it has pictures and names of everybody that worked in the NARF on that particular day) but I didn’t find any Vans. Do you know what department he worked in? Production/engineering/quality/admin/ etc. and when?

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 27, 2011 @ 4:40 pm

  46. Jack, sorry I don’t recall to much other than his name was Arthur Van Asdale, and he worked on insturments at the base. Its possible that he could have been retired by then.

    Comment by John piziali — February 28, 2011 @ 9:21 am


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