I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. I certainly did. To answer Jill, the turkey turned out beautifully, although I don’t know whether to credit it to the cooking technique or the turkey itself. We were trying out a new turkey in addition to a new technique, so next year, we’ll go with the same turkey and old school technique to determine for certain which did it. Of course the two sticks of butter coating the bird probably helped too.
Hoping to capitalize on the glow of good feelings from Thanksgiving, the School Board will be voting on the Parcel Tax tomorrow night. Both Susan Davis and and Michele Ellson covered the story on Wednesday. True to form, there were some last minute swaps and changes in some of the details of the parcel tax. The biggest one is the drop in the cap for businesses, from $8500 to $7999 which will, of course, give business owners like Edward Hirshberg, who sued AUSD over the last parcel tax, fodder to complain about how the tax is “unfair.” This drop was requested by Trish Spencer, which would lower the amount of total tax collected by $160,000 per year.
Additionally, outgoing Boardmember Tracy Jensen wanted to raise the percentage of the parcel tax going to charter schools from 3% to 3 – 4 %.
What both reports show is that the Boardmembers and the community in support of the parcel tax seem to understand the importance of having all the Boardmembers vote in support of placing the parcel tax on the ballot, rather than having a hold out like there was for the last parcel tax. Both Michele E. and Susan D. caught highlighted this late night exchange which might prove to be prescient about how the vote may go down, from the Island:
But the proposed spending priorities for the tax provoked a dramatic, late-night horse-trading session between trustee Trish Hererra Spencer and other members of the board, who said they were comfortable with the spending priorities district staff put in place. At several points during the discussion, board vice president Mike McMahon asked Hererra Spencer whether she would vote against the tax if specific changes she requested weren’t made.
“I’m looking for a parcel tax that goes to K through 12. I think it’s very important that we treat all of our students equitably,” Hererra Spencer said.
“I think it’s clear what’s going to happen on November 30,” McMahon shot back. “Let’s move on.”
Just as a reminder to folks who may not want to support or pay for the parcel tax and are looking for ways to get out of it or find other revenue sources for the school district. It is illegal to charge a per student enrollment fee for public school. Illegal. As in, not allowed by law, not just frowned upon as a social nicety. Also, the only legally allowed exemptions to paying the parcel tax are for senior citizens and people on disability. You can’t exempt people that don’t have children or don’t have children in public school or people who swear that they won’t ever use the public school system ever. Also, making up numbers of what seems to be a “fair” rate to pay for a parcel tax is useless unless it gets the school district the revenue it needs. Otherwise, why even bother with a parcel tax if it gets the school district maybe a fraction of the money needed to actually run the schools.
While folks without children in the school system or folks that have had their kids pass through a long time ago may be scrambling to come up with alternative funding mechanisms for the school district with the implication that parents don’t currently contribute monetarily to their schools, any active PTA parent will be able to tell you how much they contribute both money wise and time wise to supplement their children (and other children’s) education. Direct contributions, bake sales, magazine sales, silent auctions, art docents, volunteering in class, school supply donations…the list is extensive and staggering. And, I probably couldn’t even name a fraction of what parents and guardians give to the schools, voluntarily, because my kids are still young and haven’t started at AUSD yet. And all that is on top of the costs for books and school supplies.
Also, I think it’s important for people to remember, particularly those who have issues with Plan B, that voting down a parcel tax because you have an issue with Plan B is essentially assuring that Plan B or a form of it will have to get implemented. Any inequities, real or perceived, will be amplified with the failure of a parcel tax. So don’t vote against the parcel tax because you don’t like Plan B. Vote for the parcel tax especially if you don’t like Plan B.
And finally: a reminder. Good schools benefit everyone in the community. Whether it be a moral obligation to educate our future generations or a monetary benefit like good schools keeping one’s property taxes relatively stable in the face of a steep decline, good schools are the backbone of a strong community. And when people in Alameda say they like Alameda because of its “small town charm” and its “neighborly feel” a lot of it has to do with the way that Alameda cares for the community as a whole and Alamedans understanding that even if they may not use the Hospital, there is still some benefit to paying into the health care district. And even if they may never use the public schools or if their children have already passed through the system, that there is a huge benefit to supporting the schools in whatever manner they need supporting. That’s what makes Alameda uniquely Alameda.
Lauren, some time ago, the Journal ran an article describing alameda hospital’s upcoming problem with seismic retrofitting of their three buildings. The cost will be enormous, and the hospital won’t be able to afford it. What will happen then? More importantly, what will happen to it’s parcel tax money? Is there a way to discover the timetable for the closure of the hospital? This will undoubtedly upset many, but perhaps alleviate some of fiscal worries for the school parcel tax.
Comment by SFV — November 29, 2010 @ 6:56 am
iPhone glitch! Its is the correct spelling!
Comment by SFB — November 29, 2010 @ 6:57 am
‘…we’ll go with the same turkey and old school technique.”
If you’re going with same turkey, it ain’t just the technique what’s old.
I tried a new technique (and a new turkey) this year. Watched America’s Test Kitchen last week and, after I tried it their way, I totally changed my mind on how to cook a turkey and make the gravy at the same time. If any one’s interested, go online to their website and search for the TV episode “Slow Roasted Turkey with Gravy”. A little more work but the results will blow your taste buds
Comment by Jack Richard — November 29, 2010 @ 8:28 am
Quick note to those interested in the hospital — In Alameda is featuring Jordan Battani, president of the Alameda Health Care District’s Board of Directors, this week, in the Officially Speaking column.
(Officially Speaking is a regular column that gives Alamedans a chance to pose questions to elected officials in a public forum. Ms. Battani’s answers will be posted on Friday.)
Comment by Susan_Davis — November 29, 2010 @ 8:52 am
SFV. One big problem with the hospital and its elected board is that it never goes away. Even if the hospital closes we still have the, I believe we call it LAFCO. The only way we can get rid if it is to elect enough people to that board to have them vote to sunset it and the hospital. Maybe some one else can explain it better than I just did.
My answer to the turkey problem has been to not have turkey on Thanksgiving, it works really well for me.
Comment by John piziali — November 29, 2010 @ 9:46 am
Laws change all the time to suit society. That’s why we have legislators. Maybe now is the time to look at how to fund the schools in a way that benefits the community the same way the community “benefit” from schools. There are exemptions to this latest tax, but on arbitrary bases.
Lauren’s already read my editorial, but many of you may not have read my views about this latest attempt at a parcel tax and why it’s doomed like the others. Good business bakes a good community, too.
Comment by Adam Gillitt — November 29, 2010 @ 10:24 am
Hi Lauren, thanks for keeping this important issue on the radar. There will be critics who continue to throw up arguments for a mythical “fair”-for-everyone tax. The AUSD trustees have actively engaged the community and adjusted the parcel tax to respond to community inputs (In the many public meetings as well as meetings with Alameda business groups). I strongly support Alameda schools and the parcel tax.
We just have to cross the bridges to see the alternative scenario. (fyi Oakland’s Measure L parcel tax for schools failed).
Comment by medablog — November 29, 2010 @ 12:04 pm
[ringing the cash register repeatedly] Get me. I’m givin’ out wings!
Comment by Adam Gillitt — November 29, 2010 @ 12:50 pm
8. Do you think your parents got their money’s worth with your ivy league education?
Comment by Ivy League — November 29, 2010 @ 1:14 pm
Broken wings perhaps?
http://www.theislandofalameda.com/2010/09/decision-2010-flier-fracas/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/inalameda/detail?entry_id=72548
http://alameda.patch.com/articles/race-for-alameda-city-council-stays-ugly
Comment by WebsterJam — November 29, 2010 @ 1:43 pm
Next on Maury, I’m having Lauren Do’s cannibal gerbil!
Comment by Adam Gillitt — November 29, 2010 @ 1:45 pm
Your honor! I object to these irrelevant reports of my client’s purported appearance and friendly chit-chat at the Webster Jam event.
My client is totally innocent. Alameda needs to recognize the genius intellect we have in our midst.
My client would not hurt a fly. These reports of him accosting a wheelchair-bound senior are baseless and rumor mongering. I will prove that it was the elderly senile senior who started this ruckus. That scheming woman started this all.
My ivy-leaugue-educated client is prepared to testify to prove his innocence. See here for an example of his mastery of the english language:
http://imgur.com/RMvm0.png
Comment by AttorneyPerryMason — November 29, 2010 @ 2:56 pm
Do you care about schools and the parcel tax, anonymous Do-bots 3648476, 4756823 and 569036? Or are you more interested in acting like fourth grade playground wizards, and crushing on me, which, while repugnant, is just not flattering to your intellect.
Do you have something to say about the parcel tax? Or any ideas at all?
Comment by Adam Gillitt — November 29, 2010 @ 3:10 pm
Adam. Please just go away. You have your own site, even though nobody gets to comment on it. Or maybe no one wants to comment on your site. You just spent the whole day on Laurens site because there is nothing to do on yours.
Comment by John piziali — November 29, 2010 @ 3:41 pm
The idea that the hospital could go on as infinitum is much more appalling than a school tax! But I hope someone also has some information about their seismic retrofit nightmare, since concerted pressure could force a defunct hospital’s board to slide itself into Neverland!
Comment by SFB — November 29, 2010 @ 3:53 pm
You may not be crazy about Adam’s social skills (or lack thereof) but his input should be as welcome as anyone else’s. This blog has an active comments section for a reason. It’s more interesting when there’s conflict. Otherwise, Lauren could just sign up her faithful followers to an e-newsletter. Then they could read it, agree with her, and go on their way blissfully ignorant of other points of view. Some of the folks posting here have been outrageous, irreverent, obnoxious, insensitive, and I’m pretty sure occasionally under the influence, but that’s why we “tune in.” Do you really think that many people are interested in a dry, serious discussion of the issues here? They can get that at the presentations offered by AUSD or the City or whomever at various locations and times throughout the year. What’s nice about this comments section is that we can skip the social conventions and the smiling through bared teeth and just say what we think. We can get the news on these issues from a variety of sources. The appeal of this blog is the added dimension (demention?) of the comments.
Comment by Denise Shelton — November 29, 2010 @ 4:07 pm
Denise , like you just said we can all say whatever is on our minds and I just did that. I also have not told others that they should just go away, just Adam.
Comment by John piziali — November 29, 2010 @ 4:20 pm
17. How’s that working for you?
Comment by Denise Shelton — November 29, 2010 @ 4:28 pm
Denise and all,
I do not mind lots of give-and-take here but I get really frustrated with people who do not do basic research and get their facts straight.
The parade of funding suggestions for AUSD that are illegal or unavailable to the schools gets really old: charging tuition and raising sales taxes are just two that come to mind.
It would really help if people – no matter where or if they went to college – would take the time to educate themselves just a little on the subjects on which they wish to offer advice. A modicum of politeness would be nice, too, but it’s already too late for today’s post (and no, I am not referring to Denise here)….
Comment by Jon Spangler — November 29, 2010 @ 4:45 pm
What SunCal proposes to do to Alameda Point is “illegal” Professor Spangler, but you’re perfectly willing to slave away to have laws changed to accommodate them. Why not use your massive brains to change laws that do some good for our community?
Comment by Adam Gillitt — November 29, 2010 @ 5:47 pm
Medadude #7
If you’ve got a minute, please explain what you mean by this: “We just have to cross the bridges to see the alternative scenario.”
My guess, you’re an Oakland teacher living in Alameda or vice versa. 80% of the Oaktown proposed tax was for teacher compensation. I guess, since the measure failed, that Oakland will continue to be Oakland. Which makes sense because Alameda’s tax failed and, near as I can tell, Alameda’s still Alameda. Or is it two failures in a row that makes a town switch to alternative scenarios?
If Oakland had passed a tax, would they, “…just have to cross the bridges…” (into Alameda, presumably, or were you also talking about Bay Farm Island) to see what Oakland used to be?
Anyway, since 80% of the failed Oakland tax was slated for teacher compensation, it must be those teachers without higher compensation who are causing Oakland to be Oakland and with just a little more compensation for them, well, Oakland might become…what?
Comment by Jack Richard — November 29, 2010 @ 5:55 pm
What I really want is an explanation of this:
Why is this completely unquestionable? Why would suggesting alternate sources of school funding, asking why some people don’t pay equally, investigating where the money goes and how the AUSD is managed make the questioner into the bogeyman?
When 42% of a proposed tax is being allocated to completely unquantifiable babble like “attracting and retaining excellent teachers” and “programs to close the achievement gap” and only 5% is earmarked for technology in the year 2010, that’s a question that deserves an answer, not a series of childish attacks from Do-bots.
Comment by Adam Gillitt — November 29, 2010 @ 6:11 pm
Aha, so now you get on your high horse and want to discuss the “issues”.
Let’s see. How about let us discuss your manhandling a frail senior in a wheelchair at the Webster Jam.
Did you lightly tap the woman or grab her wrist?
Did you yell at her?
Did someone have to call the police and paramedic to attend to the said female volunteer?
Let’s discuss.
It seems that it was all the woman’s fault? You mentioned you are “sorry” she got upset? WOW pray tell why would she be so upset? LOL
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“If she is fit to deny me my First Amendment rights, and she is fit to serve in public and serve the needs of the City of Alameda Democratic Club, then she is as fit as any other member of the public,” Gillitt said. “I am sorry things got out of hand. I am sorry she got hysterical. I am sorry she tried to deny my First Amendment rights. And I am sorry she got upset.”
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reference: http://www.theislandofalameda.com/2010/09/decision-2010-flier-fracas/
Comment by ChildishAttackDobot — November 29, 2010 @ 7:22 pm
Adam-I actually read your opinion piece, which raises some legitimate questions but why muck it up with childish comments? like Denise I think it is interesting to hear alternative viewpoints, but I think your opinion piece just makes you sound like one of those people who hide behind rhetoric to mask their unwillingness to support public schools. I mean really, an audit? these are regularly conducted by state agencies and with computer skills like yours you can get the results easily. and what’s up with questioning the idea of retaining excellent teachers? alameda is very lucky to have so many. But furlough days, pay freezes and rising medical costs along with huge layoffs and a failed parcel tax and rising class sizes become a formula for failure.
Comment by Hot R — November 29, 2010 @ 7:46 pm
Yes really, “Hot R,” I propose an audit, conducted by someone not connected in any way to the AUSD or the state, so that it will be objective, and not serving anyone’s goals. And I don’t question retaining teachers, I question inscrutable language such as that used in the proposed parcel tax.
In this forum, one has to be cartoonishly loud just to be heard, and it seems it takes especially brass stones to use one’s real name to back up one’s opinion. As for being taken seriously, that may never be possible with this crowd.
Comment by Adam Gillitt — November 29, 2010 @ 8:41 pm
Nobody takes you seriously Adam.
You don’t even have the decency to apologize to an elderly senior whom you terrorized, and laid your hands on this frail woman.
Notice your words… “she got hysterical.. she tried to deny… she got upset…”
Poor Adam.
Comment by ChildishAttackDobot — November 30, 2010 @ 12:40 am
I’m not inclined to seek out more of Adam’s opinionating even out of curiosity. On the term “excellent teachers”: Of course we want to attract excellent teachers. As to retaining them, would we want to make a point of retaining mediocre ones?
As Jack Richard pointed out in another thread, the union seniority system does not allow cherry picking just the teachers we think are best, but the seniority system has a good purpose which shouldn’t be denigrated. What kind of teachers would one expect to attract and retain if they had no job security, especially if they are under threat of wage cuts and more furloughs because of no union protection at all?
Seniority and tenure do not guarantee excellent teachers, but experience has a lot to do with quality and it should be valued and rewarded. I saw a tenured teacher forced out of this district by a strong willed administrator, so there is no need for the so called “rubber room” in AUSD. Any good teacher will tell you that no matter how enthusiastic they were, it took a couple years to get the hang of it. They also don’t like bad teachers.
I read a Chronicle article about a peninsula charter school where the administrators were slobbering over themselves about how much they could do with their cheap work force of super enthusiastic YOUNG teachers who had just been churned out from places like Teach For America. I’d like to interview those employees in five years if they are still teaching.
I know an Alameda teacher who at age 40 went to Mills for a teaching degree to start a second career. The other twenty or so students in the class were almost all under 30, mostly mid-twenties, all very idealistic and motivated. Almost all went directly into teaching. Many quit within a year or two. A dozen years later, four of them are still teaching. Two younger ones and the two oldest ones. I think three of them are actually in this district.
Davis Guggenheim who directed the movie “Waiting for Superman” likes to tell his specious union bashing anecdote about how a rookie voted teacher of the year who he met while making the movie, who has since been laid off because of the seniority rule. It sounds bad that the “best” teacher got the axe, but we don’t really know about the others. Davis would like us to assume they are legions of dead wood. Davis, a smug Hollywood elitist whose kids will never see the inside of any public school, went to Brown too, Adam. Maybe you know the guy?
Comment by M.I. — November 30, 2010 @ 6:26 pm
In respect of the recent passing of director, Irwin Kirschner, “It’s a traaaap!”
Comment by Adam Gillitt — November 30, 2010 @ 6:50 pm
Last year’s Teacher of the Year in the AUSD got laid off due to the seniority system but then rehired. He won County TOY and is competing for .state TOY now. You mean your “real name ” is Adam Gillitt?!!!
Comment by Hot R — November 30, 2010 @ 7:48 pm
27. a qualifying comment. The incident of administrator persuading a teacher to leave was over a decade ago, the administrator has retired and I don’t know any details to what transpired, just that the complaints were rampant and the teacher left without being terminated ( technically).
Whatever occurred is not likely to replicated with any frequency, but I wanted to make the point that it takes the will by both administrators and parents to advocate for students and challenge questionable instruction, but that seniority and tenure are not insurmountable monolith.
I’ve talked to parents who feel their child is receiving bad instruction but they don’t know what to do about it and in some cases are afraid about their child reaping the negative impact (retaliation by instructor).
There are many AUSD teachers who live here and many of those have or have had kids in the system and they have to deal with all the same issues as parents in the system.
The issue of gradually ratcheting up the quality of teaching in all classrooms is complex, but it will only be more difficult if teachers have no job security and are at constant threat of having wage reduction and furlough for a job which is comparatively not that well compensated in the context of comparable professional positions.
Comment by M.I. — December 2, 2010 @ 9:54 am
Could you provide examples of, “comparable professional positions” Mark? Off hand, I can’t think of “professional” positions in the private sector that don’t work in their profession with the threat of wage reduction or being laid off or being fired by their employer.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 2, 2010 @ 12:04 pm
Hot R, the TOY you mentioned is Mr. John Nolan
http://www.theislandofalameda.com/2010/11/island-high-teacher-takes-county-teacher-of-the-year-honors/
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…Nolan’s dedication to Alameda’s schools extends outside the classroom: He’ll be donating the $2,000 check he earned as Teacher of the Year to the school district. And Nolan, who said he made phone calls in an effort to get the Measure E parcel tax passed, said he’ll be involved with any new effort to get a tax passed, too.
“I guess I need to be even more active this time,” Nolan said.
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Comment by ChildishAttackDobot — December 3, 2010 @ 9:46 am
Yet another letter to the editor, this time in the Sun, of someone threatening to pull up stakes and leave Alameda if the new parcel tax isn’t passed. In the interest of public service, here’s a link to help anyone contemplating a similar move to compute the cost: http://www.homefair.com/index.asp?cc=1. Don’t worry, we should be able to fill your places with all those people who swore they’d leave California if Arnold was elected governor. They should be due back any time now. I hate to break it to you, but Alameda has so much more going for it than the schools (location, location, location–climate–homey tree-lined streets, beach access–and the list goes on) that schools could get a lot worse and people would still want to live here. The place is a paradise for seniors and there are more of those every day (All Hail the Geezer Boom!). So as far as demographics go, the failure of the parcel tax might shift things a little but, when the time comes, most of us will still be able to sell our humble abodes for a small fortune compared to what we paid for them (maybe even the Bayporters if they stick around another 20 or 30 years). Don’t get me wrong, I’m supporting the parcel tax because it’s a compromise and that’s a good thing. But please don’t think that anyone is going to vote in favor just so you and Jon’s principal friend threaten to pack up your toys and go. Attitudes like that we can do without. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Comment by Denise Shelton — December 3, 2010 @ 3:10 pm
re 33
That letter was from Mrs. John White.
As an aside, have y’all noticed how many of the noisemakers in this town that don’t take their husbands’ names? It does make petitions look more impressive with all them different last names, a-yuh.
Comment by Adam Gillitt — December 3, 2010 @ 4:12 pm
34 — OMG! Breaking news! Adam has discovered that John Knox White is a bigamist! Now that Adam has uncovered the secret marriage of the letter writer and John Knox White, that other wife of his is bound to find out. I think he’ll have some serious explaining to do tonight. The letter writer is going to have some explaining to do to her other husband too.
And to all you loudmouthed women who refuse to take your husband’s name? Knock it off. Adam doesn’t like it. Plus, you’ll risk having your secret bigamist marriages exposed as a result of his thorough research.
Comment by Oh the Irony! — December 3, 2010 @ 4:55 pm
re: 34
The keeping your maiden name thing was popular in the 80s when I got married. I met a wise woman at the time who said, “It’s not really much of a feminist statement since it’s still some man’s name–just your father’s instead of your husband’s.” Of course anything’s better than the hyphenation solution. I knew one couple who ended up being the Blum-Bumps.
Comment by Denise Shelton — December 3, 2010 @ 4:57 pm
The REALLY big time feminists for awhile went around being “Jennifer X” or somesuch so the patronymics were completely done away with. That was when feminist separatism was in full bloom. Having married in 1968, I was totally unaware that there were any such choices. I never did get the “good” of total separation of the sexes. Seemed rather unnecessarily restrictive for those of us who enjoy living in a pluralistic society with a variety of folks. All that counted for me was that I get a full partnership with my mate, and I am happy to say 42 years later I did!
Comment by Kate Quick — December 4, 2010 @ 2:28 pm
31. This is a good opportunity to try to clarify some things, like a definition of “professional” as a career category. Might a lawyer be a place to start, or a job in the IT sector?
What do “professionals” in non-profit sector make in the $40-$60,000 range? CEOs make more.
I know a commercial architect who was unemployed and then got a pair of job offers with a $30,000 spread in salaries for similar qualifications. I don’t know the total salary amounts, but the spread implies a healthy sum, doesn’t it? Probably beyond the top teaching salary of $87,000 most teachers never reach.
Where do you place the skill set of teaching in this hierachy and how do we value it as a service?
As for job security, economic slumps or changes in consumption and production do not have bearing on student populations. We need continuity in education which is labor intense, so we should prioritize retaining the best people we can attract in those jobs. That takes us back to not putting teachers under stress of wage cuts and furloughs.
Comment by M.I. — December 4, 2010 @ 4:16 pm
A professional is anybody doing a job that isn’t a hobby.
Since we’re talking about teachers, how about starting and ending with teachers. Average teacher wage in US is lower 40′s.
I know a professional dog walker who clears over 100K a year. Now that must be valued as a service. Course he isn’t represented by a union but, other than that, it’s probably close to what a good teacher does, ie, tries to keep the dogs on a leash and picks up their shit.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 4, 2010 @ 6:15 pm
35. I like your humor. Come join our ranks in the Childish Attack Corps.
33. Denise, Yes it is a compromise. Ed Hirshberg is not compromising– did not get the memo. See here
http://www.action-alameda-news.com/2010/12/06/ed-hirshberg-and-alamedans-for-fair-taxation-to-fight-ausd-parcel-tax/
Comment by ChildishAttackDobot — December 6, 2010 @ 3:52 pm
Ed Hirschberg does not live in Alameda, but he owns property here. There will never be a parcel tax that he will like. Ever. He cannot vote in our elections, but he wants to influence the outcome to benefit his business. I commend those business people who do live here who put themselves into the recent meetings to find a compromise tax that they could support. They are truly looking for the greater good, not just for how to hold on to the most money possible. This kind of community effort is positive, forward-thinking and life-affirming.
Comment by Kate Quick — December 6, 2010 @ 8:48 pm
39. Yeah, I’m some sort of professional, but I’m blue collar. If I were a full service contractor who ran crews and did not pick up a hammer I would consider myself to have crossed over to what we traditionally call “professional”, where on balance I would place the teaching “profession”.
Any dog walker who brings down $100 grand obviously doesn’t need a union.
Because as part of the package of not recognizing skilled teaching as a worthy vocation the image is of a female kindergarten teacher (old maid) with the status of a babysitter. Twice a second class citizen.
Is your disparaging comparison of teaching to dog walking where you would like the job description for teaching to remain? If so, you aren’t a serious person when it comes to grappling with the importance of education, public or private.
Your denigrating reference to teaching sparked an impulse to recommend what you can eat, but I’ll attempt some restraint and skip the vulgarity.
Comment by M.I. — December 7, 2010 @ 12:25 pm
“Your denigrating reference to teaching sparked an impulse to recommend what you can eat, but I’ll attempt some restraint and skip the vulgarity.”
Go ahead and spit it out if it tastes so rancid.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 8, 2010 @ 8:34 am
44. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/diane-ravitch/ravitch-answers-gates.html
Comment by M.I. — December 8, 2010 @ 11:02 am
I would like to reply to Ms. Quick’s comments. She states that there will never be a parcel tax that I like. By definition nobody likes parcel taxes or any other taxes (unless they are on the receiving end of the money). My objection has been an unfair parcel tax. As in measure H where we pay $750 in tax for a four plex and the neighbor pays $120 for fifty plus units. With the proposed tax the neighborhood business districts pay about 32 times what the shopping centers pay. I do not believe that this is defensible. Further, it would be a very parochial world if we could only do business or voice an opinion in the city in which we slept. Our firm has been investing in Alameda continuously for 41 years.
Comment by Ed Hirshberg — December 8, 2010 @ 4:56 pm
Sorry, Ed, while our family is, as are many others, not thrilled with having to pay our taxes, we recognize that they support many services and activities for the common good that makes it not only necessary to support them, but sometimes necessary to work toward getting them passed. We get back, especially in supporting good, well funded schools, a thousandfold of community benefits. This is not to mention fulfillment of our contract as citizens to fund and promote the well being of all our citizens.
I do not think you would support any tax. Something, anything, will be found unfair by you. I also don’t think you want to be convinced or even participate in the hard work to compromise. That does not make you a bad person, just someone who does not like to be taxed and appears to see no reason for giving up your money to fund this purpose.
Comment by Kate Quick — December 8, 2010 @ 5:59 pm
Ms. Quick, please note that these inequitable school parcel taxes are the only taxes I have ever challenged. If they were uniform as required, then I would not spend any time on this issue. I participated in developing the new parcel tax until Mr. Cambra informed me that the cap was non-negotiable. So, with no possibility of an equitable tax, I dropped out of the discussions. Consider if the income tax were capped at 50K would you consider that fair?
Comment by Ed Hirshberg — December 8, 2010 @ 6:19 pm
Mr. Hirshberg, you don’t live in Alameda so why would any other tax here concern you. The only reason you are concerned with this tax is that it will take money out of your overstuffed pockets. Your firm has not been “investing” in Alameda for 41 years, you have been making money in Alameda for 41 years, there is a difference.
Comment by John piziali — December 8, 2010 @ 8:28 pm
Ed Hirschberg and his friends are saying South Shore would only pay one cent. Have they “shown their work” on how they made that calculation?
Comment by Math Question — December 9, 2010 @ 6:25 am
47. social security is capped at $90,000. Much bigger problem. Go sue over that.
Comment by M.I. — December 9, 2010 @ 8:44 am
50. Raising or even removing the cap would cause many problems and solve none. Temporarily delay SS insolvency but cause immediate tax increase for middle class and above. Better to eliminate it and start over with ‘pay as you go’, ‘get what you pay’ system.
Ask dave, if you don’t believe me.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 9, 2010 @ 8:56 am
51. My point is not really about whether the SSI cap is good or bad, it’s in response to Mr. Hirshberg’s defense of his position as based on principle using his income tax analogy.
My understanding is that the pending insolvency of SSI is vastly exaggerated and we keep making it worse. Obama’s extension of tax cuts for wealthy worsens the debt and the 2% cut in employee contribution to SSI is great short term fix but makes it easier for Republicans to squawk about insolvency.
Did you read the article in 44? I think Diane Ravitch ripped Bill Gate’s a new one.
Oprah had Michele Rhee on her show recently. I did a search under Ravitch’s name and got a list of Dianes, including Sawyer and some poor slob in Oregon who shot her three kids, all subjects of the show, but no Ravitch.
Comment by M.I. — December 9, 2010 @ 10:53 am
Re. Ravitch & Post
I read it. Ripped Gates’ a new one? Hardly. Not too impressed with writers responding to one line quotes with no rebuttal by the person being quoted.
What’s an oprah? Or did you misspell opry?
Comment by Jack Richard — December 9, 2010 @ 7:09 pm
Everyone, Social security is different because the worker is supposed to be getting his own money back plus a return on investment. Roosevelt believed that with this structure it could not be deemed to be welfare, and would last for the ages. He has, so far, been right.
Comment by Ed Hirshberg — December 10, 2010 @ 1:06 pm
Here’s the live stream of Sen. Bernie Sander’s filibuster of the tax deal. This is historic and sadly so, because he and so many people can see where this country is headed but no one seems able to stop it — or I should say, the powers pushing to destroy the economy have the upper hand.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/10/bernie-sanders-filibuster_n_795087.html
(Evidently this live stream is so popular that it has occasionally crash the senate video server.)
In the portion I watched just now, Sanders was talking about outsourcing and the loss of jobs here. He’s right about all of it, and it’s frightening.
Comment by dlm — December 10, 2010 @ 1:41 pm
Social Security is a pay as you go system. Current workers pay in and that money goes to retirees. It has always been this way. The surplus (difference between what is being paid in and what is going out) is spent on other programs (defense, justice dept, roads, etc).
The so called trust fund is just an accounting for the amount of Social Security funds that have been spent by the government on things other than Social Security. So, we the American people, owe the Social Security fund (essentially ourselves) that money.
When President Clinton increased the payroll tax, the idea was to increase payments to Social Security to pay down the deficit and the debt so that we would be able to borrow enough later on when baby boomers retired to fund social Security when there were far fewer workers working and far more retirees drawing a check. For a pay as you go system, you can only borrow money to keep the checks going or charge current workers incredibly high taxes that would be unworkable when there are too many retirees for current workers to sustain.
The Clinton surplus(total budget surplus and one of the few times recently that we had a balanced budget) that Bush inherited was somewhere around $200 to $250 Billion when he came in. It was almost exactly equal to the excess in payroll taxes to Social Security that workers were paying into the system. Instead of that money paying down the debt so the government would be able to borrow later to fund Social Security checks, the Bush tax cuts (justified because of this surplus) transfered the money disproportionately to wealthy Americans in the form of tax cuts. Ironically, those making more than whatever the Social Security cap at the time (I think around $90,000/yr) don’t pay income taxes on their income above the cap, but got the greatest benefit from the tax cut due to the surplus they did not create. Meanwhile, the excess payroll tax to Social Security was left in place, despite the fact that the money wasn’t paying down the debt, it was just funding tax cuts.
Sorry for the long winded post, but it is a pet peeve of mine when people describe Social Security as some sort of investment or something other than a pay as you go system, when in fact it is a pay as you go system. It would also not be fair to describe it as welfare. It falls more appropriately under the category of social contract. Current workers supports retirees who in turn had supported other retirees when they were still working.
Comment by John — December 10, 2010 @ 1:53 pm
53. great Jack, ignore the salient comments Ravitch made using the excuse the questions were pulled from another interview where they were made as caustic rhetorical asides in criticism of Ravitch to which she wasn’t invited to respond either, which is why this Answer Sheet column was put together. Jonathan Alter is a shill for Gates so it’s a bit of a stacked deck to have him do the Newsweek interview. Alter was in the Superman movie featured as a supposed journalist with expertise on education. There is pretty much a main stream media conspiracy to ignore Ravitch and others like her, while Oprah and others like her gush over the Superman movie and those featured in it like Arne “the empty suit” Duncan and Michelle Rhee. Gates in the real secretary of education. MSNBC had Alter and others on panels to discuss education when the movie came out. Always one lone spokesperson for teachers, Randi Wiengarten from teachers union, and sometimes not even her. A corporate media dog and pony show. Gee, doesn’t that MS stand for something related to Bill Gates?
http://www.openleft.com/diary/21027/left-ed-dr-strangeloves-of-school-reform-take-control
Comment by M.I. — December 10, 2010 @ 2:19 pm
I believe that John’s take of SS in #56 is true.
Comment by Jack B. — December 10, 2010 @ 3:04 pm
#56: Thanks for your post.
Comment by dlm — December 10, 2010 @ 6:28 pm
56. And so is every other government sponsored retirement system. SS is no different than Fire, Teachers, State, or Federal retirement system. Pay as you go—or better description—pay as you can sluff on to the future.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 10, 2010 @ 7:35 pm
Regarding social security, on an annual basis I receive a statement showing how much I have put in and what my retirement benefits will be at 62, 65, and 67. It seems to be a bit more than just a social contract. If social security is changed to just another redistribution of wealth it would likely be doomed. That would be a sad day indeed.
Comment by Ed Hirshberg — December 11, 2010 @ 12:29 am
61. Doomed it is. I don’t ever expect to receive what I see in my statements.
Comment by Jack B. — December 11, 2010 @ 7:26 am
Better start wearing a long face, Ed.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 11, 2010 @ 9:46 am
Ed,
I think it is very important for people to understand how Social Security really works. Only by understanding the reality of Social Security can people make decisions to protect it (if that is their desire).
When we cut taxes or increase spending without covering the costs, that increases the deficit and the debt. That debt burden will restrict our ability in the future to fund Social Security and Medicare when the ratio of working to retired decreases. It may not seem that arguing about the Bush tax cuts or increased spending on this or that is actually an arguement about Social Security, but if these things aren’t paid for, it is just setting up Social Security for future cuts. Unfortunately, we excessively focus on short term benefits in the present, rather than long term consequences in the future.
Comment by John — December 11, 2010 @ 10:11 am
Myth: “When we cut taxes or increase spending without covering the costs, that increases the deficit and the debt. That debt burden will restrict our ability in the future to fund Social Security and Medicare…”
Fact: We could do neither and the projected entitlement costs would still dwarf any revenue increases.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 11, 2010 @ 12:45 pm
Jack,
The issue with Social Security is primarily the Baby Boomers and longevity. Yes, there will be more retirees vs active workers in the future no matter what we do. In order to fund Social Security during that time, we will need to borrow. If we are too far in debt from decisions we make today, we will not be able to borrow. Social Security will die.
After the Baby Boomer bulge works it’s way through the system, the ratio of acive workers to retirees will stabilize. We can make decisions today to stabilize our finances to be able to weather the Baby Boomer bulge. We consistently make spending and tax decisions that will make it impossible to fund Social Security in the future. It would be nice if our debates about those decisions would acknowledge the true consequences and costs of our decisions.
Comment by John — December 11, 2010 @ 1:33 pm
In principle, my views are consistently to the left of Obama’s actions. But if I’m a “f-ing retard” it sure isn’t for the reasons Rahm Emmanuel was citing about so called progressive types, though this last week has been a test with regard to standing by the president. Obama doesn’t know how to claim credit for the positive impacts of his actions. While Ed Hirshberg talks a contradictory line about his actions being based in principle, Obama may be the victim of actually having some, even though to many progressive types it doesn’t seem like it.
Even if the final outcome were the same as his proposal, I wish he had first allowed Dems to make a public display of principle by arguing for alternatives such as letting the Bush cuts lapse on income over $1 million instead of $250K. Progressives should have been allowed a platform to argue for such compromise based on the debt argument. Notice that the Tea Party which should be loudly opposing this deal based on their principled stance against anything which increases the debt, have been strangely mute all week.
The world economy is in such bad shape that even social welfare states where education has been free, are now having riots over tuition increases. To some this is proof of the failure in principle of those so called social welfare states and in their view our problem is any policy which is in any way like them, which they label “entitlements”.
Comment by M.I. — December 11, 2010 @ 2:50 pm
Bouncing back to education, the need to sustain and improve quality of education locally and nationally is profound. I watched a couple interviews On the PBS show “Need to Know” last night. Speaking about Finland ranking highest among nations this fellow from the Finish Education Ministry said that in Finland education is not politicized the way it is in the US. He also said that improvements in Finish education stem from a belief that the purpose and need to strengthen education is to “build a nation”, i.e. to make it’s populace competitive in the world market.
These two segments are great.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/video/thomas-hatch-on-improving-u-s-education/5707/
http://video.pbs.org/video/1691594757/
Comment by M.I. — December 11, 2010 @ 2:52 pm
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“In order to fund Social Security during that time we will need to borrow. If we are too far in debt from decisions we make today, we will not be able to borrow.”
The long term budget calculations from the CBO show federal spending rising from the current 20% of GDP (give or take a couple points) to over 30% of GDP in the early 2030′s with a steady increase of about 5% per five-year period. During the same period of time federal tax revenues, which are currently between 18 and 20% of GDP, are calculated by the CBO to rise from the current amount to 22.5% of GDP by 2050 if the Bush tax cuts are extended. If the Bush tax cuts expire, the CBO calculates tax revenues will rise by 2050 to 22.5% of GDP. So the amount of the tax revenues affected by “giving a tax break to the millionaires” is negligible.
I don’t know who, on this planet, you expect to loan us that kind of money.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 11, 2010 @ 4:58 pm
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If you’re left of Obama, why do you want to stand by him?
Most of the Tea Party is against another stimulus bill, which is what’s on the table. The way I look at it is, this trillion dollar boondoggle is the Republican stimulus (tax cuts) with a good hunk spending stimulus thrown in by the Demos because, well — because that’s what they do. Net result will make Obama look better down the line if the economy improves even a little. If it doesn’t, and the unemployment rate stays where it’s at (why would anybody look for a job if Gov sends you money for not working), he’s toast.
68.
Finland has a population of about 5.5 million. I’m sure you could find an exemplary school district in the US with that population amount. Why not do your research on a nation our size, say Indonesia, for instance? See how they measure up.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 11, 2010 @ 5:19 pm
Tell me Mark, what’s your opinion of Michelle Rhee?
Comment by Jack Richard — December 11, 2010 @ 7:22 pm
Obama presented himself as a man of principle who stood for something, and many people took him seriously. They expected something more than they would from a buffoon like Dubya, and by those standards, Obama is a failure. Maybe in better times he’d have done reasonable well, but as things are, he’s a weak, ineffectual president at a time when we can’t afford it.
But to be fair, the Democrats are a weak, ineffectual party (speaking as a life long democratic). I’m sick of seeing the Republicans walk all over them. I can’t blame the Repubs for playing dirty any longer — I blame the Democrats for their failure to fight back effectively. They let the Repubs seize all the populist anger among working people and use it to harm those very same people, and somehow, after decades of this, the Democrats are still incapable of responding.
I have tried for years to understand Social Security and it still doesn’t make sense to me. SS dollars go into the SS fund, via the payroll taxes — they’re not part of the budget and it confuses the issue to speak of SS funding as contributing to the deficit. I have heard repeatedly that SS funding is solvent for the next 20 or 30 years; I’ve also heard repeatedly that the government has “borrowed” from the SS fund to the tune of $1 trillion or more, and this is what I find confusing. Is the money there or isn’t it?
Comment by dlm — December 11, 2010 @ 9:45 pm
#70: “why would anybody look for a job?” Jack, what fucking planet do you live on? What part of 12% unemployment do you not understand? I have been out of work for a long, long time and the unemployment I get is around half of what my take home used to be. I am constantly worried about the future, especially when I hear that unemployment will remain high “until 2012″, or “for the next five years” or whatever. I would not remotely choose to be in this position if I could just go out and find a job. I have good skills, I’m employable, I did work for years that was always steady and well-paying, and now it’s gone, just like that.
The country hasn’t just moved to the right. It’s drifted into this bizarre other-world created by Glenn Beck and his ilk, where joblessness is a “choice” and tax cuts for the filthy rich are a “necessity”.
Comment by dlm — December 11, 2010 @ 9:58 pm
dlm…Please read this article from Rolling Stone. The Case for Obama by Tim Dickinson. It will not help you find a job but it will make you feel better about Obama.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/220013
Comment by J.E.A. — December 12, 2010 @ 7:34 am
After working at the same big company for 17 years, my husband was laid off a little over a year ago now. He had earned annual salary increases, bonuses, and outstanding performance reviews. In spite of the fact that he got a year’s severance and medical benefits and our son went from private to public school saving a ton in tuition, books, and fees, by the time he got a new job in November, we had to tap into retirement savings to pay the property taxes on our luxurious 1200 square ft. California bungalow. Our cars were both paid for already, so at least we didn’t have to worry about losing them, but it was still a struggle to insure and register them. My husband’s job search was a seven-day a 60-hour week slog. He had lots of interviews, and search firms contacted him no less than six times for a job at the employer who let him go, contract position, of course. They, like so many other companies were not struggling, but took advantage of the downturn in the economy to shed older workers and reemploy them as contractors without benefits at a lower salary. They got away with it because no one could say no to the generous layoff deal and sue. One company interviewed my husband and rejected him in spite of a great fit otherwise because he had worked for a large company and they only wanted people who had worked for mid-sized companies. Another said he had a lot of in-house client contact but not enough with outside vendors. In this climate, employers are being picky, picky, picky, because they can. He shouldn’t have held out for a job with as much responsibility as the old one you say? He tried that, he was “over-qualified.” I’m with dlm on this one, Jack. Sure, there will always be people who work the system but most of the folks kicked to the curb this time are victims of greed. Greed is what has brought this country to its knees and the greed of the super-rich is insatiable. I don’t know what Obama is thinking, action defines character, and the actions of the rich when given all these benefits under the last administration was to grab as much as they could from themselves. They will not change now and funnel their tax savings back into the economy. A snake is a snake. You can’t expect him to be anything else but.
Comment by Denise Shelton — December 12, 2010 @ 10:09 am
“For” themselves, not “from.” Damn I wish we could edit these things after they’re posted!
Comment by Denise Shelton — December 12, 2010 @ 10:11 am
72 “Jack, what fucking planet do you live on?” Good one!
“To fully understand unemployment, we must consider the causes of recorded long-term unemployment. Empirical evidence shows that two causes are welfare payments and unemployment insurance. These government assistance programs contribute to long-term unemployment in two ways.
First, government assistance increases the measure of unemployment by prompting people who are not working to claim that they are looking for work even when they are not. The work-registration requirement for welfare recipients, for example, compels people who otherwise would not be considered part of the labor force to register as if they were a part of it. This requirement effectively increases the measure of unemployed in the labor force even though these people are better described as nonemployed—that is, not actively looking for work.
The second way government assistance programs contribute to long-term unemployment is by providing an incentive, and the means, not to work. Each unemployed person has a “reservation wage”—the minimum wage he or she insists on getting before accepting a job. Unemployment insurance and other social assistance programs increase that reservation wage, causing an unemployed person to remain unemployed longer.”
Lawrence Henry Summers (born November 30, 1954) is an American economist and as of 2010, Director of the White House National Economic Council for President Barack Obama.
“Is the money there or isn’t it?”
And you ask me what planet I live on?
Comment by Jack Richard — December 12, 2010 @ 10:24 am
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“… there will always be people who work the system but most of the folks kicked to the curb this time are victims of greed. Greed is what has brought this country to its knees and the greed of the super-rich is insatiable.”
That’s a myth constantly expounded by the class warfare groups who are the products of public education. I’m surprised you’d fall for it.
In 2000, the top 60 percent of taxpayers paid 100 percent of all income taxes. The bottom 40 percent collectively paid no income taxes. This situation created a dilemma for politicians wanting to lower income taxes for the low income people. So, rather than exclude those people, lawmakers used the tax code to subsidize them.
To do this, lawmakers lowered the initial tax brackets from 15 percent to 10 percent and then expanded the refundable child tax credit, which, along with the refundable earned income tax credit, reduced the typical low-income tax burden to below zero.
As a result, the U.S. Treasury now mails tax “refunds” to a large proportion of these Americans that exceed the amounts of tax that they actually paid. All in all, the number of tax filers with zero or negative income tax liability rose from 30 million to 40 million, or about 30 percent of all tax filers. The remaining 70 percent of tax filers received lower income tax rates, lower investment taxes, and lower estate taxes from the 2001 legislation.
Consequently, from 2000 to 2004, the share of all individual income taxes paid by the bottom 40 percent dropped from zero percent to –4 percent, meaning that the average family in those quintiles received a subsidy from the IRS. By contrast, the share paid by the top quintile of households (by income) increased from 81 percent to 85 percent.
Expanding the data to include all federal taxes, the share paid by the top quintile edged up from 66.6 percent in 2000 to 67.1 percent in 2004, while the bottom 40 percent’s share dipped from 5.9 percent to 5.4 percent. Clearly, the tax cuts have led to the rich shouldering more of the income tax burden and the poor shouldering less.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 12, 2010 @ 10:48 am
Jack: We’re in the midst of a depression, 15 million people are out of work, unemployment in Cal. stands at 12%, and there’s five job seekers for every one job.
There’s also far more long-term unemployed than in past down turns:
“The Rise in the Number of the Long-Term Unemployed:
The data confirm the story that we have seen in the papers and on every news channel about the long-term unemployed. Out-of-work Americans are experiencing longer spells of unemployment than in any recent recession; half of all unemployed workers in October have been unemployed for more than 21 weeks.
Furthermore, the most recent data indicate a quarter of the unemployed had been out of work for more than a year, while 10 percent have been unemployed for at least 2 years”
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2010/1105_jobs_greenstone_looney.asp
And with that, I’m not wasting any more energy on your closed mind.
Comment by dlm — December 12, 2010 @ 12:24 pm
Here’s Bernie Sanders in a recent speech, the one person who has the guts to get up and say what’s really going on.
“And while the middle class of this country collapses and the rich become much richer, the United States now has by far the most unequal distribution of income and wealth of any major country on Earth.”
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=3a474094-8631-45ce-be9c-ab9c96c165af
“Mr. President, when we were in school, we used to read the textbooks which talked about the banana republics in Latin America. We used to read the books about countries in which a handful of people owned and controlled most of the wealth of those countries. Well, guess what. That is exactly what is happening in the United States today.”
***
“One of the things we are going to see is while we struggle with a recordbreaking deficit and a large national debt–caused by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, caused by tax breaks for the wealthy, caused by an unpaid-for Medicare Part D prescription drug program, caused by the Wall Street bailout driving up the deficit, driving up the national debt–some people will say: Oh my goodness, we have all those expenses, and then we have to give tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires, but we want to balance the budget. Gee, how are we going to do that?
Obviously, we know how they are going to do that. They are going to cut back on health care, they are going to cut back on education, they are going to cut back on child care, and they are going to cut back on Pell programs. We just don’t have enough money for working families and nannies. We are going to cut back on food stamps. We are surely not going to expand unemployment compensation. We have a higher priority, Mr. President: We have got to, got to, got to give tax breaks to millionaires. I mean, that is what this place is all about, isn’t it? They fund the campaigns, so they get what is due them.”
Comment by dlm — December 12, 2010 @ 12:52 pm
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“Furthermore, the most recent data indicate a quarter of the unemployed had been out of work for more than a year, while 10 percent have been unemployed for at least 2 years”
And, if the demos pass their latest pay for not working bill, don’t expect unemployment to change much for another 13 months (according to Larry Summers who advises the current denizen of the white house).
Like I stated, I quoted from the CBO and a member of the current white house economics team. Those facts didn’t come from my closed mind.
Time to close with a quote from H. L. M. who always got it right:
“Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule — and both commonly succeed, and are right… The United States has never developed an aristocracy really disinterested or an intelligentsia really intelligent. Its history is simply a record of vacillations between two gangs of frauds.” – Menken
Comment by Jack Richard — December 12, 2010 @ 5:24 pm
81. blame it on “liberals” and welfare mothers if you want. 8 year reign of the idiot boy has certainly given the aristocracy an edge.
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2010/11/29/101129crbo_books_packer
Comment by M.I. — December 14, 2010 @ 8:08 am
About the same edge as the new idiot boy has given the rest of the world in his two year reign.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 14, 2010 @ 9:27 am
83. Dude, clearly watching Fox has impacted your ability to think clearly. But, be our guest … it is your mind after all.
Comment by alameda — December 14, 2010 @ 9:46 am
Dudette, thanks for the compliment, or was it a complement, a musing either way.
Comment by Jack Richard — December 14, 2010 @ 12:19 pm