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		<title>By: Jack Richard</title>
		<link>http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/jobs-all-we-really-want-is-jobs/#comment-66351</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#70

Slavery about 250 years, give or take  Voting rights, some still don't have them.  Just like prop 13, maybe fair maybe not but certainly legal.</description>
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<p>Slavery about 250 years, give or take  Voting rights, some still don&#8217;t have them.  Just like prop 13, maybe fair maybe not but certainly legal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack B</title>
		<link>http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/jobs-all-we-really-want-is-jobs/#comment-66350</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what's amazing about that, edvard?  there should be millions feeling that way.

you may be right, dave. i'm still trying to wrap my head around it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s amazing about that, edvard?  there should be millions feeling that way.</p>
<p>you may be right, dave. i&#8217;m still trying to wrap my head around it.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/jobs-all-we-really-want-is-jobs/#comment-66349</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic, but since you bring it up, Jack B, that article you link to really isn't a good example of unfair tax breaks to corporations.  

What has happened is that the GSE's now recognize capital gains/losses as ordinary income/losses.  While the issue of the moment is about losses, it eventually can result in a tax increase as corp tax income rates are much higher than  cap gain rates.  You may remember the recent battle over hedge funds declaring their profits as cap gains rather than income.  Fannie et al are essentially bowing to the tax treatment that the hedge funders fought.  

There are a host of shady tax breaks out there, ethanol for one, but the one you cite here is not the egregious example that you think it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, but since you bring it up, Jack B, that article you link to really isn&#8217;t a good example of unfair tax breaks to corporations.  </p>
<p>What has happened is that the GSE&#8217;s now recognize capital gains/losses as ordinary income/losses.  While the issue of the moment is about losses, it eventually can result in a tax increase as corp tax income rates are much higher than  cap gain rates.  You may remember the recent battle over hedge funds declaring their profits as cap gains rather than income.  Fannie et al are essentially bowing to the tax treatment that the hedge funders fought.  </p>
<p>There are a host of shady tax breaks out there, ethanol for one, but the one you cite here is not the egregious example that you think it is.</p>
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		<title>By: edvard</title>
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		<dc:creator>edvard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of tax breaks and bailouts, I found a site chock-full of people who are completely and totally against any sort of bailout for either homeowners or lending agencies. It hasn't been up for long, but there are already THOUSANDS of comments from people who unsurprisingly feel exactly the same as I do about housing costs, the boom, the crash, and the attempts to prop up values and therefor keep the bubble alive. Of course no bailout will work and the prices will fall anyway.

 Read a few of these comments. Amazing that so many people feel as strongly about this.

http://angryrenter.com/view_all.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of tax breaks and bailouts, I found a site chock-full of people who are completely and totally against any sort of bailout for either homeowners or lending agencies. It hasn&#8217;t been up for long, but there are already THOUSANDS of comments from people who unsurprisingly feel exactly the same as I do about housing costs, the boom, the crash, and the attempts to prop up values and therefor keep the bubble alive. Of course no bailout will work and the prices will fall anyway.</p>
<p> Read a few of these comments. Amazing that so many people feel as strongly about this.</p>
<p><a href="http://angryrenter.com/view_all.php" rel="nofollow">http://angryrenter.com/view_all.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: poguemahone</title>
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		<dc:creator>poguemahone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#66
How long was slavery and the exclusion of property and voting rights "fair" and legal in this country?</description>
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How long was slavery and the exclusion of property and voting rights &#8220;fair&#8221; and legal in this country?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of those situations where I wonder why we teach kids that things should be fair. That's not real life. Forget it. Fair isn't fair. 

While folks here are piddling about this and that and waiting for tonite's television shows.... your federal gov't is busy giving MASSIVE tax breaks to corporations... http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&#38;sid=ajhyK67twLAw&#38;refer=us

Fair? hardly. such is such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of those situations where I wonder why we teach kids that things should be fair. That&#8217;s not real life. Forget it. Fair isn&#8217;t fair. </p>
<p>While folks here are piddling about this and that and waiting for tonite&#8217;s television shows&#8230;. your federal gov&#8217;t is busy giving MASSIVE tax breaks to corporations&#8230; <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=ajhyK67twLAw&amp;refer=us" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=ajhyK67twLAw&amp;refer=us</a></p>
<p>Fair? hardly. such is such.</p>
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		<title>By: edvard</title>
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		<dc:creator>edvard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentlemen, I think it is safe to say that we have a difference of opinion. 

 My feelings as to why it hasn't been repealed yet is because not enough of the people who were around that passed it and subsequently became the largest percentage age group of homeowners in the Bay Area have kicked the bucket yet. There's a reason why the average age in Alameda and other Bay Area cities keeps getting older and older ( Alameda's avg age is now almost 48 years old)That laws like these have helped lock out future generations isn't a mystery.

  I have no doubt that Prop 13's days are numbered. But in the meantime, we can agree to disagree, and that's perfectly ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen, I think it is safe to say that we have a difference of opinion. </p>
<p> My feelings as to why it hasn&#8217;t been repealed yet is because not enough of the people who were around that passed it and subsequently became the largest percentage age group of homeowners in the Bay Area have kicked the bucket yet. There&#8217;s a reason why the average age in Alameda and other Bay Area cities keeps getting older and older ( Alameda&#8217;s avg age is now almost 48 years old)That laws like these have helped lock out future generations isn&#8217;t a mystery.</p>
<p>  I have no doubt that Prop 13&#8217;s days are numbered. But in the meantime, we can agree to disagree, and that&#8217;s perfectly ok.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no illusions that DK or JR will ever admit the obvious, that taxing one person property wealth differently from another's is inequity in the extreme.  Whatever principles of fairness these men might posess are clearly compromised by the welfare they receive courtesy of their less-tenured neighbors.  

But the mental gymanstics they go through to justify it are at times quite amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no illusions that DK or JR will ever admit the obvious, that taxing one person property wealth differently from another&#8217;s is inequity in the extreme.  Whatever principles of fairness these men might posess are clearly compromised by the welfare they receive courtesy of their less-tenured neighbors.  </p>
<p>But the mental gymanstics they go through to justify it are at times quite amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 64

Fair?  Come on edvard prop 13 was passed fairly, your calling it unfair is no more than your own personal feeling.  Do you not believe in the initiative process?  Was it the tyranny of the minority or the will of the people who spoke in 78?  If it's really unfair why hasn't it been overturned by another initiative or an exulted member of the judicial system?

What was really unfair was the confiscatory rate that property taxes were being raised back then. At least there are a few middle class property owners still around.  To blame your middle class neighbors for the current artificially high real estate prices is specious at best.</description>
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<p>Fair?  Come on edvard prop 13 was passed fairly, your calling it unfair is no more than your own personal feeling.  Do you not believe in the initiative process?  Was it the tyranny of the minority or the will of the people who spoke in 78?  If it&#8217;s really unfair why hasn&#8217;t it been overturned by another initiative or an exulted member of the judicial system?</p>
<p>What was really unfair was the confiscatory rate that property taxes were being raised back then. At least there are a few middle class property owners still around.  To blame your middle class neighbors for the current artificially high real estate prices is specious at best.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap, I agree with Edvard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, I agree with Edvard!</p>
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