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		<title>By: Mark I</title>
		<link>http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/cue-the-chorus/#comment-65626</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18 the renters across the street have a lawn sign, but perhaps you think it unfair. It is a single family home. I suppose the added cost can't be passed through to them until any lease they may have expires. 

I have known renters who were forbidden in their leases to post any political signs, but the conservative landlords used his rental properties to post signs of his own liking.

The world is not fair!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 the renters across the street have a lawn sign, but perhaps you think it unfair. It is a single family home. I suppose the added cost can&#8217;t be passed through to them until any lease they may have expires. </p>
<p>I have known renters who were forbidden in their leases to post any political signs, but the conservative landlords used his rental properties to post signs of his own liking.</p>
<p>The world is not fair!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark I</title>
		<link>http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/cue-the-chorus/#comment-65625</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 Deregulation dates back to fledgling days of the formation of the second chapter of the Alameda Green Party. I don't recall that argument about telecom being a defense against deregulation. 
I do recall Len Grzanka being very vocal in opposition, but his opinion pieces were tainted with his own bravado and self congratulations about being the smartest guy in town ( like Jeff Smith), so I ignored him.

The Greens had been meeting for less than six months and our second guest speakers were from the Electrical Bureau, giving the pros and cons of deregulation, which municipal utilities were able to opt out of. It seemed pretty clear at the time that we should opt OUT. At least it was clear that deregulation was a scam from early on. Things only got more interesting as the electrical "crisis" created by Enron and other hucksters got under way. 

Funny connection on Len and the Greens which is a total aside. He had gone to Harvard on the GI bill after two volunteer tours in Nam with special forces. He knew Audie Bock from that period and was all gung-ho to get her elected at the expense of the local Democratic machine, and it worked. Len was part of ( ring leader of?) an Alameda County conservative group who all seemed like right wing cranks to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 Deregulation dates back to fledgling days of the formation of the second chapter of the Alameda Green Party. I don&#8217;t recall that argument about telecom being a defense against deregulation.<br />
I do recall Len Grzanka being very vocal in opposition, but his opinion pieces were tainted with his own bravado and self congratulations about being the smartest guy in town ( like Jeff Smith), so I ignored him.</p>
<p>The Greens had been meeting for less than six months and our second guest speakers were from the Electrical Bureau, giving the pros and cons of deregulation, which municipal utilities were able to opt out of. It seemed pretty clear at the time that we should opt OUT. At least it was clear that deregulation was a scam from early on. Things only got more interesting as the electrical &#8220;crisis&#8221; created by Enron and other hucksters got under way. </p>
<p>Funny connection on Len and the Greens which is a total aside. He had gone to Harvard on the GI bill after two volunteer tours in Nam with special forces. He knew Audie Bock from that period and was all gung-ho to get her elected at the expense of the local Democratic machine, and it worked. Len was part of ( ring leader of?) an Alameda County conservative group who all seemed like right wing cranks to me.</p>
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		<title>By: AlamedaNayTiff</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19
That was the old charter before the 1998 Measure A. The 1998 vote changed the charter and allowed the Bureau of Electricity to expand into telecommunications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19<br />
That was the old charter before the 1998 Measure A. The 1998 vote changed the charter and allowed the Bureau of Electricity to expand into telecommunications.</p>
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		<title>By: S M</title>
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		<dc:creator>S M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #8  There's a quote on the link you provided that included the City Attorney's impartial analysis:

"The existing Charter requires two-thirds voter approval before the City or the Board may engage in a new utility business, including any communications utility business."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #8  There&#8217;s a quote on the link you provided that included the City Attorney&#8217;s impartial analysis:</p>
<p>&#8220;The existing Charter requires two-thirds voter approval before the City or the Board may engage in a new utility business, including any communications utility business.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AlamedaNayTiff</title>
		<link>http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/cue-the-chorus/#comment-65621</link>
		<dc:creator>AlamedaNayTiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the link to the NPR story mentioned in #14
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89121141

Fascinating story with connections that can be made to Alameda's lawn signs.

A barrage of signs may intimidate the opposition into silence.

Also, since only car owners (or in Alameda's case, property owners)can display the signs, opinion is skewed to those who own a bumper (or a lawn).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link to the NPR story mentioned in #14<br />
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89121141" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89121141</a></p>
<p>Fascinating story with connections that can be made to Alameda&#8217;s lawn signs.</p>
<p>A barrage of signs may intimidate the opposition into silence.</p>
<p>Also, since only car owners (or in Alameda&#8217;s case, property owners)can display the signs, opinion is skewed to those who own a bumper (or a lawn).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted against it because I've worked in government a long time and I've seen plenty of situations where agencies get into trouble by not focusing on their core functions.  The argument in favor was along the lines of "look how good we did with our own electric utility."  The comparison is lame, though, because of course you're going to do well when you run a monopoly operation, which is what most government organizations are.  If they had to compete to provide the services they do most would go out of business, as in this example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted against it because I&#8217;ve worked in government a long time and I&#8217;ve seen plenty of situations where agencies get into trouble by not focusing on their core functions.  The argument in favor was along the lines of &#8220;look how good we did with our own electric utility.&#8221;  The comparison is lame, though, because of course you&#8217;re going to do well when you run a monopoly operation, which is what most government organizations are.  If they had to compete to provide the services they do most would go out of business, as in this example.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Gammon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Gammon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm Robert Gammon, a staff writer for the Express, and I just wanted to point out that the poster named "Phil" is wrong. We have been independent since May 2007 when longtime Express editor Stephen Buel and several partners bought the paper from Village Voice Media, which owns the Ruxton Group. Like other independent weeklies, we pay the Ruxton Group to take part in their national advertising sales, because it's virtually impossible for independents to get national ads on their own.
Here is the link announcing the sale last May:
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/news/bringing_the__i_express__i__back_home/Content?oid=432858</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Robert Gammon, a staff writer for the Express, and I just wanted to point out that the poster named &#8220;Phil&#8221; is wrong. We have been independent since May 2007 when longtime Express editor Stephen Buel and several partners bought the paper from Village Voice Media, which owns the Ruxton Group. Like other independent weeklies, we pay the Ruxton Group to take part in their national advertising sales, because it&#8217;s virtually impossible for independents to get national ads on their own.<br />
Here is the link announcing the sale last May:<br />
<a href="http://www.eastbayexpress.com/news/bringing_the__i_express__i__back_home/Content?oid=432858" rel="nofollow">http://www.eastbayexpress.com/news/bringing_the__i_express__i__back_home/Content?oid=432858</a></p>
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		<title>By: AlamedaNayTiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlamedaNayTiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14
"Unfortunately, some of the main opponents were cranks, which made their arguments easier to dismiss, even if they were correct."

This is what I mean by lockstep. I too voted for the Bureau of Electricity to be allowed to get into the Telecom business. The argument back then was that deregulation of electricity was going to undermine BoE and that they needed to get into Telecom to keep alive. 

The Johnson block is really no saner than the Roberts block. (For want of a better description of those two blocks.) Being cranky and grumpy does not mean that one is incorrect. 

Perhaps I should invest in a lawn sign that reads, "Here lives a grumpy old crank."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14<br />
&#8220;Unfortunately, some of the main opponents were cranks, which made their arguments easier to dismiss, even if they were correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what I mean by lockstep. I too voted for the Bureau of Electricity to be allowed to get into the Telecom business. The argument back then was that deregulation of electricity was going to undermine BoE and that they needed to get into Telecom to keep alive. </p>
<p>The Johnson block is really no saner than the Roberts block. (For want of a better description of those two blocks.) Being cranky and grumpy does not mean that one is incorrect. </p>
<p>Perhaps I should invest in a lawn sign that reads, &#8220;Here lives a grumpy old crank.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark I</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I naively thought the telecom ballot measure allowed us the OPTION, as opposed to it being a referendum on whether the Bureau SHOULD move into communications. 

Unfortunately, some of the main opponents were cranks, which made their arguments easier to dismiss, even if they were correct.

People who are strident about global warming can easily be demeaned as fuzzy wuzzy tree huggers, but the bottom line is the bottom line.

ANT, there was an NPR segment on bumper stickers yesterday which I heard while working so I didn't get it all. The gist was that bumpers stickers serve more as a statement of political identity for the bumper owner than they do as an effective political tool for persuading votes.

Your previous comments about lock step liberals in Alameda is simply an over simplification. You, or Jack R. or I, all defy overly simple categorizations. I couldn't vote the slate but was never in favor of the garage and at best was neutral on the cineplex. 

I happen to agree that the current sign campaign has a mixed effect, but I still went around the neighborhood trying to get people to post them. Driving up Park Street on "garbage can day" protest, I had the distinct impression that if I hadn't known the issue I would have had an accident trying to read the detailed signage.

But AEF is a non-profit and not part of AUSD. I laud the effort being made there and I am very impressed by Brooke, the new head of AEF. I can't dismiss an effort because it has flaws, when the stakes are as high as they are. The signs are wordy, but I like yellow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I naively thought the telecom ballot measure allowed us the OPTION, as opposed to it being a referendum on whether the Bureau SHOULD move into communications. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, some of the main opponents were cranks, which made their arguments easier to dismiss, even if they were correct.</p>
<p>People who are strident about global warming can easily be demeaned as fuzzy wuzzy tree huggers, but the bottom line is the bottom line.</p>
<p>ANT, there was an NPR segment on bumper stickers yesterday which I heard while working so I didn&#8217;t get it all. The gist was that bumpers stickers serve more as a statement of political identity for the bumper owner than they do as an effective political tool for persuading votes.</p>
<p>Your previous comments about lock step liberals in Alameda is simply an over simplification. You, or Jack R. or I, all defy overly simple categorizations. I couldn&#8217;t vote the slate but was never in favor of the garage and at best was neutral on the cineplex. </p>
<p>I happen to agree that the current sign campaign has a mixed effect, but I still went around the neighborhood trying to get people to post them. Driving up Park Street on &#8220;garbage can day&#8221; protest, I had the distinct impression that if I hadn&#8217;t known the issue I would have had an accident trying to read the detailed signage.</p>
<p>But AEF is a non-profit and not part of AUSD. I laud the effort being made there and I am very impressed by Brooke, the new head of AEF. I can&#8217;t dismiss an effort because it has flaws, when the stakes are as high as they are. The signs are wordy, but I like yellow.</p>
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		<title>By: AlamedaNayTiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlamedaNayTiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The measure did not require  a two-thirds vote.

Here is the result.

MEASURES	
A (w) Alameda Public Utilities Board	
38 of 38 precincts reporting	
YES  9,604     NO 9,081	
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1998/11/05/MN44379.DTL&#38;type=chart


Alameda Predicting Cable Service in Year
Just enough vote to change charter
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1998/11/05/MN32709.DTL&#38;hw=alameda+measure&#38;sn=001&#38;sc=1000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The measure did not require  a two-thirds vote.</p>
<p>Here is the result.</p>
<p>MEASURES<br />
A (w) Alameda Public Utilities Board<br />
38 of 38 precincts reporting<br />
YES  9,604     NO 9,081<br />
<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1998/11/05/MN44379.DTL&amp;type=chart" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1998/11/05/MN44379.DTL&amp;type=chart</a></p>
<p>Alameda Predicting Cable Service in Year<br />
Just enough vote to change charter<br />
<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1998/11/05/MN32709.DTL&amp;hw=alameda+measure&amp;sn=001&amp;sc=1000" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1998/11/05/MN32709.DTL&amp;hw=alameda+measure&amp;sn=001&amp;sc=1000</a></p>
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