Surreal Slums
Carol Lloyd, whose column in the Chronicle: Surreal Estate, I enjoy occassionally, is yet the next person to jump on the Suburbs into Slums conversation. The twist is that she has added information about Richard Florida’s “knowledge workers” which I have been meaning to read up more about, both his information and the criticism of his theories. But anyway, highlights:
…These fabled super cities, Richard Florida contends in his new book, “Who’s Your City,” are attracting an increasingly disproportionate number of educated, creative knowledge workers who fuel the economy. In turn, these folks are keeping housing prices relatively high despite recurring appearances of the R-word on our front pages.
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“Over the last few decades we’ve structurally overinvested in fringe real estate,” explains Christopher Leinberger…
Last fall, Leinberger published “The Option of Urbanism,” a book about the changing sociology of the built environment. Like Florida, he sees the growing attraction to urban living as a matter of critical importance.
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When asked if the edge suburbs are turning into slums, Florida concurs with Leinberger’s ominous vision, “Yes, they are already well on their way,” he says. “The knowledge workers can’t afford the time cost, they can’t afford the commuting time.”
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Now with high gas prices, long commutes, a bad job market and a new attraction to walkable urban living, it’s just a matter of time before suburban fringes begin to absorb the people that can’t make it in the city.
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In Europe, where the cities never died, the suburbs have long been the homes of last resort for the poor and the marginalized. Just last week, French President Nicolas Sarkozy announced yet another plan to revive the suburban slums that erupted in riots in 2005 — the 16th such proposal in 31 years.
Florida and Leinberger say that retooling the suburbs is going to make urban renewal look like a walk in the park.
“Suburb development is really fragile,” Leinberger explains. “It’s going to be very complex to rebuild.”
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“It’s an enormous opportunity,” says [John] Norquist, “Thirty percent of the housing stock that will exist in 2030 hasn’t been built yet. Developers who are creating walkable neighborhoods are doing very well.” Indeed, the fact that Americans are embracing walkable neighborhoods is a good thing for their waistlines, their pocketbooks and the planet. “(Al) Gore talks about the inconvenient truth,” says Norquist, “I call this the convenient solution: living in a more urban way.”…
This is why we have to continue moving the dialogue about issues like Measure A and the type of community we want to see out at Alameda Point. Which is why I still appreciate conversations like “what about more commercial” or “let’s build commercial first.” That’s fine, but it doesn’t negate the need to talk about the types of housing that should eventually get built out at Alameda Point. And the reason why it’s discussed so much is, again, not because that is the only thing proposed, but that is the main bone of contention. Do we want to have high paying jobs that will draw what Richard Florida calls the “knowledge workers” and even more broadly the “creative class“? And actually what would come first, the workers or the jobs, or is a delicate balance of building both at once and hoping that the promise of one will bring the other?
But to wrap up with a final quote from the Lloyd article:
“If you build, will they come?” asks Leinberger. “You just don’t know. But if you don’t build it, there’s not a prayer they will come.”
One of my old professors Michael Southworth said, “For the next 20 years you all will be working on how to best bring people back to the cities, and for 20 years after that it’ll be about what to do with the places they left behind”. There is no doubt in my mind, Alameda along with Berkeley and even Oakland will become the most sought after towns in the bay area, outside of city living. This current market slump is just a bump in the road, if you think it’s unaffordable now, wait 10 years.
Comment by MarkD — March 14, 2008 @ 9:22 am
Forreal slums
You must be aware that, other than what’s already there, the Point survived quite nicely (albeit under an alias) and is still surviving without much housing.
If it were strictly commercial, think of all the denizens of those rabbit warren buildings Oak town is building and how nice it would be if they could zip over here to work and then zip right back to their high density friendly living spaces.
Comment by Jack Richard — March 14, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
The term “knowledge worker” (of which I am one) has always bothered me a bit because of what it seems to imply about electricians, plumbers, bakers, candlestick makers, etc.; I hope we will never have to do without the foregoing, because even though I have been officially stamped “knowledgeable” I still do not know what they know. But to quote you, Lauren, I digress…(-:
That was interesting column, but I think she misses a few things. Over the past 20 years, many companies have followed Pacific Bell’s example and moved their operations out of San Francisco and into the suburbs. Given the high cost of doing business in San Francisco, and the high cost of housing in the immediate area, the trend of businesses moving their operations out of the city and into the burbs will most likely accelerate. -For one thing, the lower cost of housing in these areas will allow companies to more easily attract afore mentioned knowledge workers. Regarding the slum potential of the burbs, the flip side of urbanism is that, within the Tenderloin for example, density, walkability, transit, easily accessible retail and services can better serve the homeless and the just plain poor and perhaps even the crack dealers. (By the by, doesn’t the author seem to have an unconscious bias, ergo, that poor equals ne’er do well?)
That said this area has always had its share of dicey suburban areas. Look at East Palo Alto or Richmond. But places like Moraga and Orinda are in no danger of doing a reverse Cinderella and turning into East Palo Alto. Dense, urban, walkable developments that are well planned and executed are delightful, but they will never meet the needs of a pretty large slice of the demographic pie and those folks will continue to fuel the market for a certain type of suburb. Some of the housing developments out in the Central Valley are truly wince able, but given the population pressures in California, I can’t see them being abandoned. I also would like to point out, that in terms of commuting, suburbs can have lovely public transit. I have lived in both San Francisco and Moraga, and my commute to the Financial District was shorter and far more pleasant via Orinda Bart than my commute on Muni’s #2 Clement.
Comment by Susan — March 14, 2008 @ 6:49 pm
I think the column is right on. I think BART’able suburbs will be fine, but places where the commute is terrible will suffer. We liked Livermore a lot but chose Alameda because of the commute. We could have got a great house in Tracy for half the cost…
I agree with Susan on a lot of points but it is interesting how many businesses are moving out of the suburbs and back to the City…Google is opening a office there, Gymboree? moved there and many other businesses…are moving to the City.
I came from a small town…I would never move back.
To say the least…time will tell.
Comment by Joel — March 15, 2008 @ 9:40 am
Jaaaaack,
You who have said “Bring it on!” to towers at the Point, are now thinking 100% commercial is cool? What gives? I am not judging either option here, merely taking a late cruise through Cyberville before shutting down the one eyed monster and taking note of what seems like a contradiction.
I have to be wary of your tongue in cheekiness, but you have made the towers comment enough times that I have come to believe that in some form you have meant it, as opposed to you saying it in totally sarcastic cynicism.
Help me with a little realignment here. Where you at, really?
Comment by Mark I — March 15, 2008 @ 9:02 pm
More in foreclosure choose to walk away
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/15/MNFFVI036.DTL&tsp=1
Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — March 15, 2008 @ 10:00 pm
The more problems that surface, the more I am liking the option Jack expressed recently of leaving it to the “dead vets and live birds.”
Comment by Susan — March 16, 2008 @ 8:41 am
# 5
High rise towers on the western shoreline at the tip of the point would be the best, by far, human utilization of that real estate. There is no realignment in my thinking that that option is the best.
In the present Bay Area mindset, however, that option is totally unlikely (due to this area’s current political minimalist focus on things like styrofoam, warming guilt, a two-bit school tax and obama’s preacher) and probably will not be a viable option for several generations. So, in the mean-time, let the birds and dead vets enjoy the tip and let the rest of the place develop or atrophy at its leisure.
There are other long range options (they could be short term if we still had that thing called imagination). Such as offering some of it to the United Arab Emerites’ Dubai on a no risk revenue sharing basis. Dubai, about 16 sq mi compared to Alameda’s 12.4 is building a world-class natural history park that will recreate 11 acres of the earth as it was 100 million years ago. Chicken feed funding for Dubai ($1.1 billion) the park will feature 109 animatronic dinosaur robots housed in a 75 meter high dome. The bots are being created by a company in Japan under the direction of paleontologist Jack Horner. I think the birds and dead vets wouldn’t mind sharing. (WWW.cityofarabiame.com) for more.
Think of all the tourists ferried (or, by then there will be a spider web of under bay transport systems) from SF dropping their $’s into the city’s coffers without mugging up the place with auto traffic.
Comment by Jack Richard — March 16, 2008 @ 11:01 am
While dinosaur parks and high rise dwellings at the Point are, perhaps, a little too imaginative for this generation of Alamedazonians, there are near-term applications for the Point which would be more in concert with the area’s present day politics.
What tweaked this idea was the # 24 post by Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — March 9, 2008 @ 2:10 pm
when he stated: “The only other use that I can think of for the Point that might work would be to use it as a military base.” Posted in the “The Massachusettization of Alameda”.
Well that sure makes sense to me. But what military unit would want the place? Certainly not the U.S military, they couldn’t get out of the area fast enough in the nineties. Then it dawned on me. There are two of the area’s “most favored nations” that, in my opinion, would jump at the chance to lease the Point.
In fact, we lease property in other countries all over the globe for the use of our military. However, I can’t think of one square inch of our homeland that is leased by a friendly or unfriendly nation for the purpose of its military.
I think it’s pretty clear that the two “most favored nations” of which I speak are Cuber and Hugo. Seems I recall we even lease a military installation on one of them to habitate and rehabilitate nonconforming citizens of other nations. This is a model that Cuber and Hugo, I’m sure, would love to replicate (and one of the two has lots of pesos).
There are pitfalls in this kind of Point use, though. Once established, these enterprises can be hard to extricate. Nations have a dynamic that makes them change from what was once most-favored-nation status to mostly-hated nation. So, we must be sure to search out and employ the experts in this sort of thing to make sure the lease period is set in stone. We want this to become the temporary model of base to base reuse and certainly don’t want the Guantanamoization of Alameda to become a disparaging moniker for our fair city which may lessen the chance for our Manhattenization efforts three generations hence.
Comment by Jack Richard — March 16, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
This is an interesting concept, like many planning theories, but when it’s compared to reality, it winds up sounding academic and largely meaningless. For starters, the “knowledge workers” have *already* moved to the core housing, which one reason why that housing is so expensive. The reality is that *everybody* wants to live close-in, knowledge workers and floor moppers, and those who have the money win. The KWs might be a sexier subject, but it may be the non-KWs who are the real factor here, where sprawl is concerned. These are the people forced out of the core, who are so desperate to get a house that they’ll even take on a three-hour commute if necessary. So in sum, the knowledge workers are displacing everybody else and causing the outflow to the suburbs. These folks don’t want a condo and anyway, a condo around here costs a mint.
Otherwise, note that real estate is local, and that the regional housing market here is so incredibly expensive that it may not say much about other housing markets.
And note that South SF and Daly City were in the news lately, re substantial loss in home values. It’s clearly that collapsing housing bubble that’s at work here, just as it is thruout the region.
Comment by Darcy Morrison — March 16, 2008 @ 2:03 pm
It would be useful to define “walkable” — that’s a buzzword if ever there was one. Taken literally, it makes very little sense — it’s very unlikely that the average person could find a variety of job opportunities within walking distance of home, unless that person lived, say, in a high-rise tower near SF’s Financial District. The concept of “walkable” makes more sense to me if I look at what’s “unwalkable”, all the housing developments in the middle of nowhere, with no real center of town, and no real commercial center apart from an area=wide mall. People are forced to drive everywhere, and there’s nothing worth walking to even for passing entertainment. So walkable translate into what? Shopping streets, like Park Street? Corner stores? Public services nearby, such as a library? As an example, take a city as large and varied as Oakland — is it “walkable” in it’s entirety, or only in certain areas?
Comment by Darcy Morrison — March 16, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
A good measure of “walkable” towns, for planners anyways, is about 1/4-1/2 mile walk to shopping districts, schools, civic buildings, some jobs. It also has a lot to do with street design, not just distance. Wide, unattractive arterial streets are not deemed “walkable”, in relation to suburbs.Culdesacs are also a no-no.
With the exception of BayFarm, which is used in local planning/academic circles as a BAD example in PUD design, Alameda is decently walkable.
Comment by MarkD — March 17, 2008 @ 9:15 am
Thanks.
Comment by Darcy Morrison — March 17, 2008 @ 12:50 pm
Mark,
Some may disagree with your view of “walkable” and Bay Farm. My wife loves to walk around Bay Farm. My kids walk/ride to school and to the stores, It is the bike paths, and paths along the lagoons and waterfront that attract walkers. When we lived in Oakland we had a much larger shopping selection within the same range, but it did not encourage walking. It just wasn’t enjoyable, you weren’t normally going to see friends, often my wife just did not feel safe, there was too many cars, and overall it did not compare to Alameda, it was not a “feel good” environment. As for cul-de-sacs - they can be used to IMPROVE or encourage bicycles and pedestrians as they can provide non-vehicle links between blocks providing short cuts so it is as fast to hop on a bike as to climb in a vehicle to go to a store to find parking. As with anything it is context that must be considered.
The planners you refer to remind me of artists saying a particular color is a “bad” color. Context.
Comment by David Kirwin — March 17, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
It’s a bit more complex than that DK, although everyone knows that brown is the only BAD color, I’m not an artist though so I may not be qualified enough to say.
From my view, as my earlier comment wasn’t at all personal, BayFarm is much more jogg-able, than walkable.Some may disagree.One only needs to look down the roads, Mecartney, Island,Rob Davey,Aughinbaugh, beautiful, lush, green,joggers, but not too many walkers.
Comment by MarkD — March 17, 2008 @ 4:34 pm
Bay Farm cul-de-sacs create dead ends for bikers too. I ride from main island over bike bridge past Mt. Trashmore up through the industrial park to the ferry terminal and then take the scenic bay side trail back to the bike bridge. Because I have a touring bike and like the faster smoother and pedestrian free street I tried to ride from the ferry back to the bike bridge parallel to the scenic bike trail on surface streets. But I was thwarted by stupid cul-de-sacs from hell with no rhyme or reason.
A modified grid with some traffic calming speed bumps like Bayview and strategic bike passable car barriers which could be opened for emergency vehicles would better. Small as it is, you should be able to drive through Bay Farm without a map. When I want to get lost in a maze I will go to an amusement park.
Comment by Mark I — March 17, 2008 @ 5:47 pm
Mark – on Bay farm to bypass cul-de-sacs that create dead ends (many don’t, and to promote bike use all should have linking paths) my advise is to head to the water. The smooth bike trails along the water front or the inland lagoons don’t dead end.
Many people don’t like speed bumps; a good design in Alameda shouldn’t need them. Plain grids offer little in the way of local character, or neighborhood personality. I don’t presume to know what your ‘modified grid” would be like. To protect neighborhoods from cross-town traffic trying to skirt around grid lock; resorting to speed bumps, lumps, or traffic circles should be utilized as calming measures for existing roads.
I think a good plan for new development could prevent neighborhood traffic intrusion without resorting to band-aid fix-its. Despite, or perhaps because of a speed bump in front of our first house - which was on School St in Oakland, our neighbor’s truck and several other cars were wrecked by a speeding car. Speed bumps do not create peaceful neighborhoods.
Despite your frustration at not navigating Bay Farm easily by force of will, instead of with an understanding of the layout, I am encouraged that the street plan would discourage extra vehicle traffic. Once or twice on a bike and I’m sure you will find your way around. Or ask one of the local school kids if you see them at play. Maybe you prefer the quiet of late night or early AM rides. I absolutely agree that planners must provide more right-of-way accesses for bikes and pedestrians. Police and Fire are tested for street knowledge – they would not fall victim to dead ends in emergencies.
Comment by Dave Kirwin — March 17, 2008 @ 7:12 pm
I’ve spent the better part of two days traveling in Eastern TN and spent both in two of it’s cities.I made some observations that make good studies of modern community planning and development.
The first city was Chattanooga, which is approximately 1.5 hours away from Atlanta. It is a small city of 168,000. I think it is the perfect example of what a modern, walkable, environmentally friendly city can turn into.
I haven’t been to this city since I was 10. So my recollections of it are next to zero. In the not so distant past, it had one of the worst crime and pollution standards in the country. I recall it not being exactly pleasant when I was there as a kid. But that has changed dramatically.
For starters, the city buses are battery powered electric. That’s right- electric zero emission buses. Secondly, the city turned a derelict bridge that carried trains into a huge pedestrian bridge. This bridge lands you into the downtown area.So you can actually walk from one side of the river where the burbs end and into the downtown area.In the Downtown is a brand-new fine arts museum: http://www.huntermuseum.org/
Right next to it is a number of other smaller galleries. Next to that is a massive aquarium, which is apparently one of the largest in the nation: http://www.tnaqua.org/
Next to this was a park that contained a elevated walkway above the Tennessee river. This walkway joined into a number of courtyards with various sculptures that were continuously being sold. There was even an outdoor elevator for the handicapped. But even this was interesting looking, using an incline style mechanism rather than a boring box. In the middle of this was a huge park on the river with a fountain, carousel, and library. On the other side of the park where a number of shops, restaurants, and galleries.
Further on down were several skyscrapers. But even there, more artwork was spread all over the place. The bridges were large arches that had trees planted on top with vines hanging down below. They looked like organic lifeforms instead of simple bridges.
Outside the city, most of the freeway on and off ramps had what engineers call “up and over” curving ramps. This allows vehicles to enter an exit the freeway at the same speed as the regular traffic. As a result, our arrival and departure of the city was very swift.
I was actually really impressed with this city. This is one of those cities nobody on the coasts cares one cent about. Yet I found it interesting that in many ways, it has accomplished more than many in such “more important” cities. I saw an awful lot of progressive development there.
Second up was Knoxville. I’m more familiar with this city because I grew up there. It was sort of a derelict and crumbling little city when I was growing up, recovering from it’s textile past. Much has changed in the two years that I’ve lived there. For one, many of the large buildings are being turned into mixed use housing developments. Two old bank buildings- one which is 30 stories tall- and a number of others are getting facelifts as housing. The old Woolworth’s dept store, which closed 15 years ago is now Mast General Store, which sells local and regional wares, fine clothing, food, and shoes. There’s a new brew house where they make 8 different kinds of beer and sell pretty good food. The Tennessee theater was restored, including it’s Wurlitzer
Organ.
http://www.tennesseetheatre.com/
Several new museums have opened up including the Knoxville Museum of art, the Tennessee Historical society, and a walkway that shows the history of Country music shows where famous stars got their start. The city will now also pay you incentives to produce green power.
The most interesting thing that I found out was that while many of these mixed use buildings were being developed, a number of locals raised a fuss that many were geared towards upper income folks- as in 300k or so. So as a result, two of these buildings are going to be all affordable housing.
Again- Knoxville, like Chattanooga is developing rapidly and in my opinion- progressively. I couldn’t help that while places like SF and the Bay Area has the supposed crown of progressive politics, that in reality none of that has translated into progressively developed neighborhoods.The Bay Area’s community planning seems to be remarkably stale and static for probably no other reason that it’s inhabitants can’t come to universally accepted conclusions. It is a curious thing to witness a city like Chattanooga, which undoubtedly lacks the level of more liberal political stamina develop itself in such a entirely progressive manner in contrast.
In addition to this, The suburbs to both weren’t exactly far away or that difficult to drive to. I think the premise of this post is too blunt and inaccurate and only pertains to a few larger cities ( mainly the coasts where the liberal elite inhabit) with large populations. This issue is compounded by the whole affordability problem in places like the Bay Area for which people have had to commute further and further in order to simply afford anything at all.
In conclusion, no- I don’t think that the burbs are going to hell and a hand basket. The truth is that the life cycle of every city is different.So too is the cycle in different regions. Some areas might suffer from decline and even fall into urban decay. Others can just be rising from the ashes. Detroit was once one of the most important, financially powerful cities in the country. But the atmosphere of business changed and now it is the poster child of urban decay and decline. While the Bay Area is certainly not in that same vein, it too has it’s own problems. Mainly that it is growing increasingly less appealing to young professionals- especially those with children- for none other than the competition for housing along with the lack of movement and development to alleviate this problem. This could in fact have consequences for the future as the population grows older and less productive here… just like another warm and sunny state- Florida. But at the same time, countless cities are actually doing extremely well, have suburbs that function like suburbs, and offer an affordability that allows those who live there more flexibility in regards to choices such as commute times and so on. Just because things suck in California doesn’t mean it is the status quo elsewhere.
Comment by edvard — March 17, 2008 @ 8:59 pm
#16, Man, have I been there before. When use to go running out there I would get caught up in random cul-de-sacs and the only way back out was the way I went in, which was pretty long and annoying.
Comment by MarkD — March 17, 2008 @ 9:22 pm
I always get lost at Bayfarm. We end up going in circles. I like the way it looks but would call it bad design. And anyone who complains about the sound wall around Bayport look at the walled communities at Bayfarm.
Comment by Joel — March 17, 2008 @ 10:53 pm
I think Alameda is very “walkable.” My family and I walk to restaurants, the dentist, the doctor, the dry cleaner, the library, and local parks. My husband often walks to work, and I can walk to the bus to go to work in Oakland. We love it! Granted, we live on the main island, about a half-mile from Park Street.
But I walk over to Bay Farm (with my dog) about once a week, and I actually prefer walking over there, althought my Bay Farm walking is recreational rather than purposeful. If I stay on the lagoons, I can find my way around. Any time I walk through the neighborhoods (as I did today), I get lost and have a bit of an adventure. “No through street” signs would help a lot. Personally, I don’t like walking on streets that are set up on a grid pattern — too boring and predictable. Most of Bay Farm’s meandering streets have little traffic, which means less car exhaust and more pleasant walking.
The walkability is a big part of why I feel pretty smug to live in this town!
Comment by Jill — March 23, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
Yet another article in the Atlantic on the topic of Suburbs into Slums:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200803/subprime
One paragraph from the article:
Arthur C. Nelson, director of the Metropolitan Institute at Virginia Tech, has looked carefully at trends in American demographics, construction, house prices, and consumer preferences. In 2006, using recent consumer research, housing supply data, and population growth rates, he modeled future demand for various types of housing. The results were bracing: Nelson forecasts a likely surplus of 22 million large-lot homes (houses built on a sixth of an acre or more) by 2025—that’s roughly 40 percent of the large-lot homes in existence today.
Comment by Mike McMahon — April 6, 2008 @ 2:27 pm
It would be interesting to compare these numbers to any surplus in actual large lot homes - those with an acre or more.
It is terribly deceiving to refer to 1/6 of an acre as “large lot”. To me this just looks like the abundance of track developments that should never had been built, and would never had been built, except that the developers were paid with municipal bonds / tax revenue to guarantee a profitable return on their investment. You know, I’m betting this is do to the wastefulness of our re-development laws being easily abused.
Comment by David Kirwin — April 6, 2008 @ 5:02 pm
#23 Dude,
If an acre is 44,000 sq feet, then one sixth is 7333, which is 3.5 times bigger than a minimum Measure A lot. Redevelopment mumbo jumbo aside, that sounds more like a McMansion lot, than tract house size.
If a 7333 sq foot lot fronts at 100 feet at least twice the average Alameda lot, then it would be 733 deep. Seven times deeper than our lot. I could fit my house and a huge urban garden in such a lot.
Comment by Mark I — April 6, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
Mark,
Many areas have ‘minimum’ lot size requirements of an acre. Even where I went to HS outside Philly, the min was an acre, although they used the term “builder’s acre” which was really closer to 3/4 acre. Outside Harrisburg lots had to be larger. Trying to judge the world by Alameda standards is like judging the world by what you can see through a keyhole.
Comment by David Kirwin — April 6, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
Trying to judge urban conditions using a suburban analogy is like judging the world through a Kirwin.
Comment by notadave — April 7, 2008 @ 7:56 am
# 24
Dude, rework your math.
Comment by Jack Richard — April 7, 2008 @ 8:50 am
a 7,333 square foot lot would be approximately 85.632′ by 85.632′.
Comment by Susan — April 7, 2008 @ 10:25 am
#26 If you at least read the title of the article referenced in post #22 you then can explain how this is an urban condition.
Comment by David Kirwin — April 7, 2008 @ 3:29 pm