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February 22, 2008

Dick and Juni

Filed under: Alameda, Alameda Point, Development, Measure A — Tags: — Lauren Do @ 7:29 am

Recently the California Planning and Development Report wrote an analysis of what is going on at Alameda Point.  Written by Morris Newman (because everyone is going to want to know what his creds are) this is what I could find out about him:

Morris Newman is a Los Angeles–based writher specializing in architecture, urban design, and real estate planning. He is a senior contributing editor of the California Planning – Development Report and is a frequent contributor to numerous newspapers and magazines including the New York times, the Los Angeles Times, Architecture, and Metropolis.

Highlights from the article:

Like boxers vying for a title, two very different ideas of planning are competing for the future of Alameda Point, a 770-acre community carved out of the former military base next to Alameda, the city. The choice is a 1950s-style bedroom community, all houses and cars and little else, or a mixed-use community in the style of the early 21st century, where higher densities are the trade-offs for premiums in open space and historic preservation.

On the positive side, Alameda Point is almost a blank canvas as a residential community (many of the military buildings have already found new commercial users) and could be a demonstration of forward-looking planning, as well as a notable new source of housing in the Bay Area only a short ride from a BART station. Following some initial design work by ROMA, the local base reuse authority hired influential urban designer Peter Calthorpe to draw up Measure A-compatible and non-Measure-A alternatives.

SunCal knows it must tread lightly in any major undertaking, particularly in the Bay Area. So far, SunCal has played its good-neighborhood card skillfully, even if the developer’s preference for the denser, single-family-plus-multifamily option can be faintly discerned through all the smiling neutrality…The most eye-catching feature of the map of Alternative A is how much space must be devoted to home building; the amount of potential park space, although still decent, is reduced drramatically. The preservation of historic buildings is also limited.

Alternative B shows the advantages of combining single family homes with multi-family development. The greater intensity of development allows for a greater amount of park space, including what appears to be a green promenade that connects, or nearly so, parks on the both the north and south ends of Alameda Point. The second scheme also has room for neighborhood-serving retail, which the developer touts as environmentally friendly, because residents would have little need to drive elsewhere for basic needs. Alternative B’s additional bus stops make it more transit friendly than Alternative A…

Measure A’s notion of a bedroom community is outdated and may not deliver the quality of life that its framers envisioned…

These comments should not be interpreted as an attack on suburbia or single-family housing. The culprit here is inflexibility, not any type of housing or neighborhood. Single-family housing is indeed desirable, but not in isolation from other forms of housing in a way that would create or enforce segregation by income. The mix of uses is sustainable in Alternative B, because it means that people can shop on foot or bicycle if they desire. Alternative B promotes flexibility and choice – of housing type, of transit mode, of outdoor recreation – and is a reflection of experience and the complexity of actual urban life.

Knowledge delivers a knockout punch to nostalgia. Alternative B is the winner.

But of course, we know now that the cry is no longer: Measure A compliancy at all costs, historic preservation and open space be dammed.  No the mood has now shifted to: commercial only, let’s build ourselves some “jobs.”  As though the jobs magically appear once the commercial is zoned and built, tell that to Alameda’s 18% vacancy rate for commercial space.

Perhaps those that are tooting the “commercial only” horn should show us doubters what it is about Alameda that might draw the sort of business and industry we are looking for and whether or not their “commercial only” vision would mesh with the values of businesses we want to lure. 

I know that businesses like Clif Bar are considered good, but what drew them to Alameda was a the perception that Alameda shared its “green values” and its easy commute, access to renewable energy, ample parking, and access to public transit.  Also, Clif Bar didn’t want to be located next to industrial uses any longer either.    Would Clif Bar have considered moving to some large business park like complex where there employees would have to drive to get there, drive to go to lunch, drive to get back to work, and drive to get home?   If what we want is to lure as many “good” businesses as possible, then let’s figure out what types of businesses we want to see in Alameda and see what it would take to lure them here.  Is it Hacidena Park or is it a mixed use environment?  Or is it a hereto undiscussed hybrid.   Because simply building it will not bring “jobs” to Alameda.

55 Comments »

  1. At this point, I think I would highly favor the “Little boxes” approach. The housing developments of choice in the Bay Area has been somewhat devoid of anything in the middle between the massive stucco/granite countertop Mcmansion variety and the oh-so-trendy-lofts built on top of one another. I find none of these options attractive, and neither do many others.

    The Bay Area is in dire need of smaller, truly middle class style housing. This might mean small, 7-800 square foot homes on smaller lots. But to young families and middle income wage earners, the ability to actually own their own home would far outweigh the snotty attitudes of others who for some reason feel that every damned development in the area has to be some sort of magical Utopian development complete with a monorail and other rubbish. These types of development seldom ever succeed in the manner in which they were intended and ultimately become affordable only to the wealthy.

    I think the transition to smaller homes is not only more sensible given the economic environment we’re now in, but I also feel that people are now ready to start reexamining the seemingly long-ignored historic trend of buying more manageable, more affordable “starter” homes after a decade of wasteful excesses. Small 1950’s style homes seem quaint compared to their Mcmansion cousins. I would truly find a development like that refreshing. Sign me up!

    Comment by edvard — February 22, 2008 @ 8:32 am

  2. #1 “The housing developments of choice in the Bay Area has been somewhat devoid of anything in the middle between the massive stucco/granite countertop Mcmansion variety and the oh-so-trendy-lofts built on top of one another. I find none of these options attractive, and neither do many others.”
    I agree. The urban sprawl that is occurring in places like Tracey, Manteca, etc appears to me to be driven by a demand for affordable SINGLE family homes. One of my friends bought out in the hinterlands for exactly that reason. He had a stay-at-home wife and 2 small children, and they wanted their own house with a yard; Absolutely couldn’t afford such in the immediate Bay Area. He and his ilk are not going to be attracted to a hipster new urbanism environment, where all the wallet will afford is a condo or a row house. -No matter how many pocket parks and nice little corner markets there are.

    Comment by Susan — February 22, 2008 @ 9:02 am

  3. The comments on commercial were very direct and reinforce comments made here, but the guy doesn’t mention Alameda’s “special” ingress and egress capacity. Clif Bar is here for, among other things, the “easy commute”. We are centrally located, but are Clif Bar employees going to kayak from Jack London Square? At least they are counter to the heavy auto commute in the tube.

    I actually have had hopes that a critical mass of development at the landing and Oakland side might bring a viable water transit system, or at least some intense bus shuttling from BART to make for an easy auto free commute.

    Comment by Mark I — February 22, 2008 @ 9:02 am

  4. Alameda has A LOT of homes under 1,000 sq ft, That doesn’t make them affordable. What are the chances that brand new homes of the same size would be any more affordable?

    A suburbia that doesn’t adress traffic concerns, comemrcial/retail needs, open space or historic preservation is BAD no matter how big or how small those houses are.

    Comment by JC — February 22, 2008 @ 9:10 am

  5. “Alameda has A LOT of homes under 1,000 sq ft, That doesn’t make them affordable.”

    That are becoming more affordable with each passing month…

    Comment by happyrenter — February 22, 2008 @ 10:53 am

  6. The answer is simple: build more homes, lower the demand, lower the price. Of course many in Alameda would recognize that right away and will probably oppose any development that would threaten their already dwindling property values. The thought that a family could come in and pay say-40% less for the equivalent home- a new one at that would probably make quite a few people who bought at the peak somewhat irate.

    But to reinforce what Susan said, about the only way that middle income ( and I’m willing to say even upper middle income families) were able to afford homes was to move out to far away places like Manteca, Stockton, and so on. Even this wasn’t a guarantee towards financial stability as we’re now seeing, as Stockton in particular is the no.1 foreclosure rated city in the nation with other CA towns like Vallejo going bankrupt. On top of that, you have to wonder what the quality of life is for some of these people who drive 2 and 3 hours each way to their jobs from places like these. It was their choice, but many did so because the Bay Area shut them out of the market.

    Someday, city leaders need to wake the hell up and recognize the need for more realistic housing id the care to avoid budget shortfalls and crumbling infrastructures. We need affordable housing. Plain and simple.

    Comment by edvard — February 22, 2008 @ 11:10 am

  7. I agree with #1 and #6 and don’t know why a development couldn’t be close to the Fernside neighborhood with on most streets small 2 bedroom single family homes (many now remodeled into larger ones) with duplexes on almost every corner. I was also disappointed that despite there being MORE historic preservation in the non-Measure A compliant plan, there were many historically significant buildings destroyed.
    I realize that condos can be environmentally better, but having a family member who bought a new unfinished condo in the North Bay recently, I have seen how difficult a situation one can be in when stuck with having to depend on condo management to cope with maintenance issues and even things that were done incorrectly in the first place while they are going bankrupt because of the mortgage lending crisis. As much of a pain in the neck as my 109 year old SFH can be sometimes, at least I feel I have some control over getting things fixed when they go wrong or wear out.

    Comment by Kevis Brownson — February 22, 2008 @ 12:04 pm

  8. Forgot to add– I don’t think it is realistic to think that small starter homes in Alameda would be as low priced as those in outlying areas–and I don’t think there is any way for our small island to affect the demand for housing in any meaningful way, so slightly increasing the supply of starter homes would not lower the price. BUT they would definitely be MORE affordable than the giant houses that have been built recently. I recall that the Marina Village development seemed affordable at the time it was built, while the Bayport and K-B homes developments did not except for the lottery.

    Comment by Kevis Brownson — February 22, 2008 @ 12:20 pm

  9. Susan’s comment is an important one which is that some people really want to live in a single family home (including yours truly). But the example, a friend with two kids, only reflects 25% of households.

    First off, it’s not all or nothing, and the article Lauren presents covers that pretty well. I have not heard anyone say “no single family homes” except people looking to slander HOMES by claiming that they are for things, they don’t appear to be for.

    Secondly, the push for all SFH suggests that all households want that, yet 75% of households have no kids. So while there is demand for SFH in Tracy, there’s demand for other types of housing as well.

    Comment by Johnknoxwhite — February 22, 2008 @ 1:24 pm

  10. #6 Edvard – Building more and more dwellings has no affect on affordability because there is no shortage of people on the planet! In fact the opposite seems true – the more you build & the higher the density; the higher the cost of living including dwelling costs. Is SF cheaper to live w/ high density? How about NYC?

    The question remains; “How much population density is best for Alameda?”

    Comment by Dave Kirwin — February 22, 2008 @ 2:15 pm

  11. #9″…I have not heard anyone say “no single family homes” …”

    We all understand that any development out at the point will include single family homes. What we are striving to convey is that, if recent history serves as any precedent, those single family homes will be 900K+, and the demographic that is spurring development out in Manteca will not be served by that.

    Comment by Susan — February 22, 2008 @ 2:52 pm

  12. I agree with Richard Bangert’s assessment of the need for commercial development — especially considering Alameda’s poor showing in terms of per-capita sales tax revenue. We are in dire need of commercial development and the city should re-focus development at the Point. ABAG cannot order Alameda to commit municide, nor will it save Alameda from bankruptcy.

    What to develop at the Point? That would require study. With Rosenblum and Saint George such successes, perhaps a beer-wine-liquor industry would work. I could see several microbreweries setting up shop and perhaps another distillery or two.

    I write this as someone who opposes Measure A. Regardless of what sorts of residential housing is built, Alameda needs to broaden its tax base and the Point is an opportunity to do so.

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 22, 2008 @ 3:24 pm

  13. ANT,

    Harbor Bay has 2 million sf of entitled commercial that they can’t build because the market won’t bear it. Alameda Landing has 300K retail and 400K office. Built commercial in Alameda is 18+% vacant.

    The plan for Alameda Point has 3.4 million sf of commercial already.

    The call for commercial-only, is not add more commercial, it’s build no housing. Which is fine if that’s what one thinks.

    None of the arguments that I have seen are saying “build more commercial” they’re saying “don’t build housing.”

    Comment by Johnknoxwhite — February 22, 2008 @ 3:47 pm

  14. OK, since it’s pretty obvious that you will not find a developer willing to build SMALL SFH homes on the point, certainly not with that price tag or toxic waste clean-up,lets just get over it.

    We’re actually studying both plans in my CP class at school (Cal) for a design project and I gotta say they are both pretty bad. One is nothing more than high-end sprawl which will result in lots of high-end traffic,The other offers high(er) density with a maybe/kinda/could happen promise of some sort of mass transit system that has little chance of ever coming to life. From a design standpoint they way both plans are laid out, Main st will act as an immediate buffer between two worlds. It’s kind of like the bridge between the main Island and Bayfarm . The best that could have happened wast Sun Cal going back to the drawing board for the next six months.

    Comment by JC — February 22, 2008 @ 4:33 pm

  15. #13
    The commercial at Harbor Bay has always done poorly. Alameda Point is 12 miles distant. I don’t think anyone is saying no housing at Alameda Point, but there are an increasing number of voices saying that it is time to explore a mostly commercial option. The city has burned through how much money on consultants? The City Hall party line has not worked and it is time to let some fresh ideas in.

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 22, 2008 @ 6:09 pm

  16. This conversation is beginning to get interesting. I’m fascinated by the fact that JC is doing current study on this, as I also am by the article Lauren has used in this post.

    Back during the peak of the Ralph Nader era (2000) Greens would say, “Vote your dreams not your fears”. I’m wasn’t so sanguine about the Greens then, but also never could blame Ralph for what has ensued like many Democrats.

    On the Point I have been trying to feed my hopes, which are for something forward thinking that will help take us over the hump out of auto and oil addiction. But lately I have drawn back and I am indulging my doubts. The best plan has to be somewhere in the middle, but there are so many screwy and conflicting elements to the conundrum called Alameda Point that there will never be an ideal solution. It’s all about how to ferret out a realistic compromise.

    I am hearing Nay Tiff on creative commercial alternatives like Rosenblum cellars, but JKW’s stats on vacant commercial are screaming in the other ear loud and clear.

    I don’t think the distance of the Point from Harbor Bay means a hell of a lot. I also think it is easy to second guess anybody after the fact.

    Comment by Mark I — February 22, 2008 @ 6:27 pm

  17. Maybe an “auto row” would be viable out there. It would help with the sales tax revenue drain issue, and there is certainly enough room for them to build to suit.

    Comment by Susan — February 22, 2008 @ 6:47 pm

  18. Remember all those great ideas that our city fathers and mothers considered for the Point? Remember the world class Scottish Golf Course? Remember the gondola that was going to fly high above the estuary and land at West Oakland BART? These are people who believe in magic.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmlYe2KS0-Y

    Couldn’t even a great mind like Beverly Johnson be wrong on occasion? Yes, Richard Bangert may not have her astute intellect, but perhaps, just perhaps, he may be on to something?

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 22, 2008 @ 7:15 pm

  19. ANT, I’m still not clear on what you are suggesting. Are you suggesting that 3.5 million sf of commercial is not enough? what is the general and I mean really general idea, reduce the housing and increase the commercial or just get rid of the housing and leave the commercial?

    No snark intended, I am honestly trying to understand. (The majority (that’s my wiggle room) of the people calling for a commercial plan are indeed calling for no housing).

    Comment by john knox white — February 22, 2008 @ 8:42 pm

  20. #19
    Primarily commercial and upgrade existing housing. Improve infrastructure (water,sewer,roads,electric, communications, etc) but retain current buildings as much as possible. Re-use as light industry and warehouse. Explore idea of VA Hospital and other veterans service agencies. Explore relationship between Alameda Hospital and VA Hospital.
    Look at what is currently happening at the base as signaling what should be happening at the base. Assume that entrepreneur businesses are acting rationally and follow their lead. Look to what is working now and build upon it. Drop the idea of high end housing and instead re-use current housing to match a more blue-collar workforce that would work in light industry, warehouse and medical facility occupations. In other words, keep the base as much as possible as is and re-use for civilian purposes.

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 22, 2008 @ 9:05 pm

  21. #19
    http://alameda.benpeoples.com/

    The Point, as is, has a certain beauty. Perhaps it just needs to be updated rather than destroyed.

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 22, 2008 @ 9:24 pm

  22. ANT –

    Nice post, but don’t you get it?

    Re-Development is not about ‘going with, or improving, the flow – or -following the lead of market-rate entrepreneurs….

    ReDev’s goal is to charter new territories – to boldly go, (on the taxpayers dime)- where no man riding ‘Free Enterprise’ has gone before.

    Comment by David Kirwin — February 22, 2008 @ 9:32 pm

  23. #20 Considering there aren’t businesses clamoring for the 3.5 million sf of proposed space and given Alameda’s high vacancy rate this would be a very risky and unlikely scenario for any developer to consider, there just isn’t that type of demand for this in Alameda.Entrepreneurial forces alone aren’t enough to reshape the point. As far as housing goes, low-end housing isn’t exactly profitable so . . . Don’t forget that you still have to deal with all the toxic clean up even if you were to only re use existing housing. Also, a large portion of the current housing mix sits on the northern end of the site, which if you remember from plan A, isn’t even suited for SFH’s due to the contaminated soil underneath (remember the high density on stilts option) so if re-developed we wouldn’t be able to use that housing anyways.

    I’m not sure who exactly is calling for a shift towards a commercial majority, but what it really seems like is people are so afraid of entertaining a Not-so Measure A compliant mix of both A & B that they would rather scratch out the whole thing and do something completely outside the realm of M-A and housing. Even if it isn’t all that practical.

    But that’s just my take on all of this . . .

    Comment by JC — February 22, 2008 @ 9:50 pm

  24. Businesses aren’t clamoring for the space? How much light industrial / commercial space is there now and how much is still available.

    Who do you think would be “lining up” for space that has been talked about for over a decade, but for which there has never been a ‘master plan’?
    Get real JC.
    As I recall the PDC called for starting with light industrial / commercial even before beginning residential, or am I confusing that with latter proposals that were made prior to selecting a developer?

    …And lastly, your line;
    “what it really seems like is people are so afraid of entertaining a Not-so Measure A compliant mix of both A & B that they would rather scratch out the whole thing and do something completely outside the realm of M-A and housing”

    ???????????????????????????????????????????

    Is this uncompromised “make-believe”? What in tarnation do you base this on? Did you have another late night with too much Kool-Aid?

    Comment by David Kirwin — February 23, 2008 @ 1:11 am

  25. #23

    Businesses aren’t clamoring for the space? How much light industrial / commercial space is there now and how much is still available?

    Who do you think would be “lining up” for space that has been talked about for over a decade, but for which there has never been a ‘master plan’?
    Get real JC.
    As I recall the PDC called for starting with light industrial / commercial even before beginning residential, or am I confusing that with latter proposals that were made prior to selecting a developer?

    …And lastly, your line;
    “what it really seems like is people are so afraid of entertaining a Not-so Measure A compliant mix of both A & B that they would rather scratch out the whole thing and do something completely outside the realm of M-A and housing”

    ???????????????????????????????????????????

    Is this uncompromised “make-believe”? What in tarnation do you base this on? Did you have another late night with too much Kool-Aid?

    Comment by David Kirwin — February 23, 2008 @ 1:14 am

  26. #23

    Businesses aren’t clamoring for the space? How much light industrial / commercial space is there now and how much is still available?

    Who do you think would be “lining up” for space that has been talked about for over a decade, but for which there has never been a ‘master plan’?
    Get real JC.
    As I recall the PDC called for starting with light industrial / commercial even before beginning residential, or am I confusing that with latter proposals that were made prior to selecting a developer?

    …And lastly, your line;
    “what it really seems like is people are so afraid of entertaining a Not-so Measure A compliant mix of both A & B that they would rather scratch out the whole thing and do something completely outside the realm of M-A and housing”

    WHAT ????????????????????

    Is this uncompromised “make-believe”? What in tarnation do you base this on? Did you have another late night with too much Kool-Aid?

    Comment by David Kirwin — February 23, 2008 @ 1:15 am

  27. Maybe people are just ready to say “No Deal” if we are just going to be showed “bad plans” – Your words post #14.

    Any idiot can come up with a bad plan MA or not.

    If Sun Cal wants to build residential, they should show a great MA compliant plan, and they can show us what they think is a better plan too, and let us choose by ballot. Every Alamedan is mindful of traffic, and it seems house holds have the same # of cars in Alameda whether in apts or sfh. so # of units is key. If Sun Cal wants to go to 1,000’s of units, it is likely Alameda will tell Sun Cal to go…

    Comment by David Kirwin — February 23, 2008 @ 1:28 am

  28. David, interesting points, wrong and ill proposed, but interesting.

    Haven’t tried the Kool-Aide yet though, But I can see you’re selling it!

    AS for “Maybe people are just ready to say “No Deal” if we are just going to be showed “bad plans” . . . Well it only proves my point. However, I am glad your obvious experience in transportation planning allows you to make such outlandish and definitive statements.

    Comment by JC — February 23, 2008 @ 8:12 am

  29. JC – What are you selling?

    Is your last line factious, or does a sentence starting with “Maybe” strike you as overly definitive?

    …Or is it the fact that you yourself called the plans “bad” after using them for a class study wrong and ill proposed?

    …Or do you think Alamedans are not required to be shown a worthy plan?

    Let me know what it is you objected to in the above post.

    Comment by David Kirwin — February 23, 2008 @ 8:35 am

  30. How many residential units are there currently at the Point? How many are occupied? How many are single family homes, duplexes and multifamily? Has there been an inventory done of their age, condition and size?

    Regarding the non-residential structures, has there been an inventory that includes infrastructure? What sort of mapping tools exist to analyze the location, size, construction, condition, historic use and infrastructure?

    Has there been an assessment of each building’s worth? An assessment of each land segment’s worth?

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 23, 2008 @ 8:43 am

  31. Since no one seems to agree with my idea to build high-rise, world class penthouse condo/apartments at the west tip of the point facing one of the most beautiful views in the world, probably the second best idea is to go along with ANT’s general ideas and do very little. Just let the place piecemeal itself naturally into the future without any brilliant minds telling us what’s best… then finding out ten years down the pike, what was best turned out worst.

    Comment by Jack Richard — February 23, 2008 @ 10:04 am

  32. DK,Clearly, logic and common sense are concepts lost to you.

    Enjoy your weekend.

    Comment by JC — February 23, 2008 @ 10:06 am

  33. #10 yes, how much density is best for any location?

    Manhattan has been ultra built out forever which is why housing is so damn expensive. Everything is at a premium. I think that’s an apple/orange comparison for us.

    “Building more and more dwellings has no affect on affordability because there is no shortage of people on the planet!” If DK sez so, sure!

    Is building absolutely no new dwellings going to stabilize costs or make costs go down? Hardly. Especially with burgeoning populations. Simple fact: A new attached multiple unit will cost less per sq foot than Bayport. There is RELATIVE affordability in that. As for demand, if 65 or 75% of households in Alameda are without kids, that sizable segment may be accommodated by something other than a SFH, and at less cost per SQ foot.

    Square peg, you name it. DK can pound anything through a round hole with exact results.

    I enjoyed Woody minor’s presentation immensely. He was hardly unbiased but there is no harm in that because the content spoke for itself.

    First panel was also great. The original meeting in early 2000s saw many people come out to speak to the Planning Board for several hours of public comment on Measure A. Even though Measure A supporters fought that event and there is no public record, in typical revisionist fashion they site how it affirmed that a majority of Alamedans firmly support Measure A. I saw about a 50-50 split.

    It’s hardly a full house today and my sense is that the Measure A supporters are in a majority by 2/3 or more. But the quality is good, so I hope many, many, many people will view the web video.

    Comment by Mark I — February 23, 2008 @ 12:52 pm

  34. This is an interesting piece as a focus for discussion. However, Mr. Newman’s comments remind me a bit of a movie about a volcano that suddenly appears in LA. At one point, a geologist explains to the supposed head of LA’s emergency manangement what “tectonic plates” are. It’s like, Oh my god, that explains it! Alameda is a lowlying island in a major earthquake zone (still), and generalities about “21st century planning”, in that context, are not well informed and not responsible — and certainlIy not “expert” by any means. This is not Des Moines or Arlington or even Portland.
    Otherwise, I wish Mr.Newman or some other expert would take the bus to SF for a few weeks maybe, and then do an analysis on traffic flow. Why does everything stop on a rainy day — is it the backup from 880? I wonder if the factors controlling backup thru the Tube are largely beyond our control(??)
    And seriously, and without being snarky — when it comes to new residents obediently walking to the store — I think of this sometimes when I’m trying to find parking at our Townee Center. *Everybody here* drives to the store — it might as well be everybody — and why not, when there’s several big markets within a few minutes drive. Why would someone stuck out on Alameda Point decide to stay there? I wouldn’t. I’d drive to Trader Joe’s so I could get the soy-based chocolate “ice cream” they sell cheap which I can’t get at Lucky’s. I’m saying, where people choose to shop (or work) depends on personal preference and predictions just don’t seem very credible.

    Comment by DL Morrison — February 23, 2008 @ 2:04 pm

  35. Alameda Times-Star (Alameda, CA)

    June 1, 2002

    Activists attempt to rework housing rules at Navy base

    BYLINE: By Kristin Bender

    Some say the former U.S. Navy base here is a prime pad for apartments, town homes and condominiums. But because of a decades-old law, private developers won’t have a crack at building multifamily dwellings there.

    A group of housing advocates, business leaders and environmentalists is trying to overturn that ban. Some of the same people who last year fought to boost “affordable housing” at Alameda Point are now scrambling to rework the 1973 city charter, which bans construction of anything larger than a duplex.

    The group — Housing Opportunities Make Economic Sense or HOMES — is penning an initiative to modify Measure A, passed by voters to save Victorians and keep ugly apartment buildings off the Island.

    The city is also sponsoring a forum at 10:30 a.m. today at Kofman Auditorium to gauge the public’s interest in modifying the law.

    “Right now we are going to leave out middle-income people [at Alameda Point],” said Bill Smith, a leader of HOMES and an active member of the Sierra Club and Renewed Hope Housing Advocates. “We’ll have well-to-do families and the 25 percent [affordable housing] set aside for below-market people, but the middle income will be completely forgotten. And those are the folks who would be able to purchase or rent the condos, apartment and town homes.”

    The HOMES group will first need to collect at least 10 percent of registered voters signatures to put the initiative on the November 2004 ballot.

    Some city leaders aren’t sold on the idea of modifying Measure A.

    “You can see what’s happened around Jack London Square around the Amtrak Station,” said Alameda City Councilmember Barbara Kerr, referring to the dense Oakland lofts. “I don’t want that to be the future of Alameda. There is this myth that high density equals low cost. Unless it’s subsidized, a developer is going to sell them for whatever they can get.”

    Kerr said she believes housing advocates are preying on people’s hopes that there is

    an easy solution to the housing crunch.

    “I think it’s terribly cruel to the people of Alameda to try and tell them there is an easy housing solution,” Kerr said.

    Councilmember Beverly Johnson said one of the consequences of the city’s 2001 affordable housing lawsuit settlement — which calls for developers to make 25 percent of new homes “affordable housing”– is that other types of housing will be lost.

    “Whether that is good or bad, it’s just a consequence,” Johnson said. “It sounds like the same group that was fighting tooth and nail over low-income housing is now fighting over middle income. We can’t do everything for everybody.”

    Johnson said higher density housing, however, might improve mass transportation around the Island and at Alameda Point.

    “We have a serious problem with transportation and one of the ways to have better mass transit is to have higher density housing,” Johnson said.

    Alameda Point is being transformed into a minicity where thousands will one day live, work and play. Already, Catellus Development of Oakland is building 485 homes and duplexes, including 48 moderately priced duplexes.

    What’s more, 99 units of subsidized housing will be built by the Alameda Housing Authority in the Catellus development. Over time, some 2,000 housing units will sprout from the former base. Because of last year’s lawsuit settlement with housing advocates, 25 percent of new construction at Alameda Point must be considered “affordable.”

    To qualify, a family of four, for instance, would need to earn no more than $60,000 yearly and a single person no more than $32,000. HOMES leaders say there needs to be more housing for people earning$80,000 to $100,000 annually.

    “It’s long overdue,” said Eve Bach, an affordable housing advocate. “I think that Alameda has worked itself into a corner with Measure A.

    “I think that many of the people who voted for it were trying to solve some specific problems of Victorians’ being demolished, but it has much broader implications. It’s contributing in a very destructive way to the crisis that renters are facing in Alameda.”

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 23, 2008 @ 1:11 pm

  36. Re increasing bus service: As everyone may know, the Express ran a good series recently on AC Transit, controversial I realize. It states that bus service has declined tremendously over the last several years (whatever the reason): “From 2002 to 2007, it cut its total number of bus lines from 157 to 93, thus reducing the number of neighborhoods it serves. During the same period, it also downsized its fleet from 771 buses to 632, retiring hundreds of older buses as the new Van Hools came on line.” It’s at http://www.eastbayexpress.com/news/the_buses_from_hell/Content?oid=627762

    Comment by DL Morrison — February 23, 2008 @ 2:17 pm

  37. Doesn’t anyone forget Alameda Landing was suppose to be majority office and light industrial and then they went back to change the plans. Commercial will not work here unless you bring in someone who needs a large Office Park for CISCO, Genentech, Netscape….or someone else who requires a lot of space. If that happened the need for housing would. skyrocket….small businesses can’t afford the point. If they had to pay for the upgrades and maintain the infrastructure at the point and the hangers they are now renting…they would be paying much more than what they are now.

    Mixed use is my vote for the only option, otherwise my vote would be for mostly residential.

    DK, I read his post for entertainment value…I haven’t read anything from him in a few years which I give serious thought to. Sorry…dave…so sorry.

    Comment by Joel — February 23, 2008 @ 2:05 pm

  38. The second half of today’s Measure A event was a little less engaging in some ways and fewer people attended, but a good discussion just the same.

    The discussion of density and transit was academic in many respects, but it made me understand the Catch 22, or chicken and egg bind we are ALL in.

    At questions, Dorothy Freeman asked if we shouldn’t solve the transit situation first before we bring in MORE PEOPLE. What became clear to me is that there is no first. The solutions are codependent and it will never happen until we just do it. If we can’t agree, or people don’t find themselves driven to use their autos less, no significant change or solutions will ever be possible. And that is JUST FINE for the very self satisfied David Howard and company.

    At questions Art Lipow arose and typically, as part of a windy speech, despite admonishments from the moderator for abusing the format, he admonished three of the four panelists for being mere academics whose ideas are merely unrealistic “dreams”. He made sure to qualify his opinion by noting that he himself is an academic. And supposedly a staunch proponent of socialism! (In YOUR dreams you are Art, you phony liberal you.)

    At the very end Stuart Cohen from TALC sort of stepped in it when asked about how terrible the Webster tube is especially when there is an accident. He said at least there are three other means of egress which do function. Cries from the audience about the ignorant outsider. When one crossing is blocked all crossings are affected and it can take close to an hour to leave the island. This is true for about a two hour window and I have experienced it one to two times a year.

    Here the Planning Board took the stage and I left to much twittering and muttering among “real” Alamedans about these ignorant foreigners in our midst who were allowed to come pedal their “dreamy” propaganda.

    Moderators Harris and Bartolini were really excellent. I look forward to Lauren’s astute recap which is surly to follow. You have your work cut out for you.

    The bottom line is that Art Lipow land all of us live in a dream of false entitlements and are at the end of an era marked by peak oil among other phenomena. The awakening from this dream is sure to be plenty rude.

    Comment by Mark I — February 23, 2008 @ 3:30 pm

  39. #33 Darcy

    On earth quake zones : SunCal is asking for an extension related specifically to geology of the Point. It seems that they are being as prudent as one would hope any developer would be, so maybe we have to wait, but hopefully we may get an honest assessment, and some more time.

    On climate change and flood planes: When Alamedans for Climate Protection formed and helped push for the Task Force and process which followed, Councilman Matarrese came to a couple meetings and the question was immediately posed, should we be proceeding with huge investments in converting the base if we stand to be closer to sea level before build out is even complete? Frank had no real answer, and nobody will until we better understand the realities of climate change.

    For current info on the Bali conference: http://www.ecoequity.org.

    Comment by Mark I — February 23, 2008 @ 3:35 pm

  40. #34
    “Commercial will not work here unless you bring in someone who needs a large Office Park for CISCO, Genentech, Netscape….or someone else who requires a lot of space.”
    http://www.expansionmanagement.com/emstatic/military_base.asp

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 23, 2008 @ 6:01 pm

  41. #36
    “At questions Art Lipow arose and typically, as part of a windy speech, despite admonishments from the moderator for abusing the format, he admonished three of the four panelists for being mere academics whose ideas are merely unrealistic “dreams”. He made sure to qualify his opinion by noting that he himself is an academic. And supposedly a staunch proponent of socialism! (In YOUR dreams you are Art, you phony liberal you.)”

    Did Art Lipow really declare himself a socialist?

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 23, 2008 @ 6:07 pm

  42. If he did, I missed it. He did mention an academic background in urban sociology, and I think at one point referred to himself as a sociologist; maybe that was misheard.

    Like Mark, I really enjoyed Woody Minor’s presentation. It was not just informative and thought-provoking, it was actually entertaining. (He needs to get a gig on the History Channel.) I liked the first panel discussion better than the second, because I thought the second mostly revolved around high-level theory. I also thought the forum was quite poorly attended, which is food for thought.

    Comment by Susan — February 23, 2008 @ 6:39 pm

  43. JC – #26 & 30

    I can see I would never want to debate with you. You seem to have a brilliant way of defending defending your perspective – as good as “bounce off me and sticks to you.”
    When you can answer the questions posed about your statments a discussion would be possible.

    I was recently reading about the Constitutenional Convention of 1787, – back when the 13 states where tring to decide what kind of government would be best for us all. (Now that was a time we were really tring to attact more people to this country because we NEEDED them) On of my favorite lines, I think it was by James Madison “When you’re behind, keep talking – when you’re ahead, vote” Well as we saw today HOMES and developer friends have to ‘keep talking’ about a change to MA.

    Mark – #36
    I agree the 2nd panel was dull relitive to the 1st. The ‘theories’ seemed to be only supported by data-mined statistics that were not relivet to Alameda. I of course agreed w/ Dorothy Freeman – solve the infrastructure issue before allowing constriction. Building with hope and prayer that Fer, State and County $$ will supply the mass trans that wil not self-pay by fair box is the best of what I heard them offering. Maybe if the density is high enough the transit will come. Of course this means not just density but shear #’s too. It woould require a population increase far beyond what is proposed to get a reliable bus schedual. (A few on-bus violence issues could kill that hope too)

    Comment by David Kirwin — February 23, 2008 @ 8:45 pm

  44. (Previous posted too early)
    Mark – #36
    I agree the 2nd panel was dull relative to the 1st. The ‘theories’ seemed to be only supported by data-mined statistics that were not related to Alameda. I of course agreed w/ Dorothy Freeman – solve the transportation infrastructure issue before allowing constriction. Building with hope and prayer that Fed, State and County $$ will supply the mass trans that will not self-pay by fair box is the best of what I heard them proposing was possible. Maybe if the density is high enough the transit will come was the theme. Of course this means not just density, but shear #’s too. It would require a population increase far beyond what is proposed to get a reliable bus schedule. (A few on-bus violence issues could kill that hope too, which is something else beyond our control.)

    The ‘development side’ of the 1st panel kept trying to raise the question of whether MA is now the ‘right tool’ for development control. Nobody needs to be reminded that it is the ONLY TOOL that is controlled by the voters. How many times was there snickering and laughter at the point whether we would trust planners, boards and council. There may be other protections such as CEQA, but the only tool that gives the power to the people is MA. As Denise Brady pointed out, the initiative process is still open to those who wish to amend MA. I’m sure there will be decades of more talk, maybe until the waves are lapping at the hangers.

    Comment by David Kirwin — February 23, 2008 @ 8:48 pm

  45. A debate between you and I would require that you actually understand the princicples of urban & transportation planning. Not some romanticized/small town politics/notion of how things should be, just because.

    I’ll reiterate for you DK; the plans are bad. And the best thing that could have happened was Suncal going back to the drawing board. Why? beacuse, to answer your question, Alamedans deserve solid and realistic plans.

    Moving on,I would bet that Suncal doesn’t like those plans much either. But what some people seem to forget is that the Point isn’t the “blank slate” some seem to think it is. There are so many intrinsic set backs, limitations for example, contaminated soil, flood zones, and the simple fact that it is at the very end of an island mass, with only a few ways out, none of wich of course connect directly to the point.
    Add on top of that MA, and Suncal has a rough road ahead of them.

    And please, Please for anyone who thinks in black& white, a density limiting design does not, will not automatically result in less traffic than its higher density counterpart. So before you start shouting out the contrary, stop googling random stats on traffic/density and do some actual research, read some books, talk to the experts (and yes they might actually come from outside Alameda)Then you might understand where Suncal is coming from and see there is a method to all the madness.

    Comment by JC — February 24, 2008 @ 9:57 am

  46. Regarding “experts” from anywhere: there is a smart growth *orthodoxy* at work in planning today, which is the problem — the belief on the part of many people that they can predict real outcomes here and everywhere on the basis of Planning 101 assumptions, that they absolutely know what is best, and that dissent of any sort stems from ignorance. It’s really not that different from creationists on the school board — I don’t know how else to describe it. There are some public policy issues which are fundamentally a matter of principle, such as desegregation, which must be pursued at all costs, but housing policy isn’t one of them. It’s the *very unwillingness* of pro-growth people to respond to legitimate questions which is the problem — in other words, why not just address the issues? Why is it okay to build housing on fill? How could transit possibly increase when the transit agency is cutting back on service? How can anyone predict where new residents will work or shop? If anything, I’d like to see a discussion that is limited solely to what is *actually known* for a fact.

    Comment by DL Morrison — February 24, 2008 @ 12:01 pm

  47. #37 Mark: Ultimately, there’s no amount of study that can fix the fundamental problem here — fill is subject to liquifaction. The Hayward Fault is predicted to have a major quake every 140 years, and as you must know, that much time has now passed since the last big quake in 1868. I’d like to learn more about the effects of the 1906 quake here, if that’s any kind of predictor. Anyway, I recall Helen Sause’s comment about a neighborhood at the Point “30 years from now” — that offends me, because I think she should know better. Anyone who was here for the Loma Prieta quake, as I’m sure she was, should know better.

    Comment by DL Morrison — February 24, 2008 @ 12:10 pm

  48. Suncal can walk away from whatever they build here, and not be held liable for “acts of god”, whether it’s an earthquake or rising sea levels. They’re not responsible for building a new bridge or tunnel either.. I don’t their potential liability as governing their behavior all that much.

    Comment by DL Morrison — February 24, 2008 @ 12:28 pm

  49. #44

    What is known for a fact is that developers are not in the business of losing money. SunCal is not going to put itself at risk implementing a plan that would likely suffer financial loss. What works in theory and in textbooks, must also work for them financially.

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 24, 2008 @ 12:13 pm

  50. This is interesting. It is a 46 page outline of the real estate development process.
    http://www.ilrg.com/students/outlines/download/realestatedev-texas-rider-02.doc

    Comment by AlamedaNayTiff — February 24, 2008 @ 1:02 pm

  51. RE#44
    Creationist/planners . . .you’re right, you don’t know how to describe it.

    Does this line of thinking (oh what do the experts know!?!) only apply to building in Alameda or life in general?

    Comment by MarkD — February 24, 2008 @ 2:45 pm

  52. Sorry, about the last post, it was a bit snarky I admitt. But maybe people that have studied this for years beyond “plannig 101″ may come to find that building 1800 homes isn’t suitable for the area in the first place. I mean it is the city trying to build at Alameda Point, not the Building or Planning Association’s of America.

    Comment by MarkD — February 24, 2008 @ 2:52 pm

  53. I understand that people have studied this for years — I have always kept this in mind. In any event, my mother has lived here since 1992 and I have been trying to follow the issues, since I’ve wanted to live here myself for years. I see the discussions of density for example — I found a good post on this blog from 8/29/06 with a comment by Tony Daysog on density. He at least makes reference ot the capacity of the Posey Tube — other comments seem to refer to density in the abstract, which isn’t meaningful. Instead, take the population level on the Island and divide it by the number of access routes, and then compare that. It would be difficult, I know, but that’s what matters. Density discussions refer to the entire city of Alameda and not the Island alone. The Island is 8.2 sq mi, and 2000 pop is 58,500. That’s a lot of people for 5 exits, and in a disaster, it would be terrible. Whatever people may feel about this in reality, it comes off sounding like they haven’t fully considered it — that’s what I mean by an academic discussion. (And note in passing: My mother is 83 and just re-married last year — my stepfather, George, is 97, and really in quite good shape. He’s been in the Bay Area since 1935, lived in Oakland mostly, but knows a great deal about Alameda — worked in the shipyards during WWII.)

    Comment by DL Morrison — February 24, 2008 @ 5:11 pm

  54. I understand where your coming from and I agree, my point is that planning as a proffesion is still relatively new it would appear that most of the new(er) developement on the island has been city-driven and developer recommended, that it might be a good idea to go about things a little defferently. In the end, people that plan cities (unlike developers, city officials, and most blogging homeowners) are not interested in property values as the #1 reason for development.

    But that’s just my opinion folks, so please don’t feel the need to pick apart every sentence of my post.

    Comment by MarkD — February 25, 2008 @ 8:52 am

  55. I saw this show on PBS about the big dig in Boston. I think they actually recycled a lot of the materials for new structures in Boston. If not, they at least explored the possibility and one guy did build a house. The reason I bring this up and there will be a lot of raw materials available soon from a certain span of our bay bridge. I would hope the developers take this concept into consideration. It makes to me on many levels including economic and pure PR value for ‘green’ and recycled.
    Here is a 30 second trailer for the show I found:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC0kqjI8W-U

    I haven’t found the whole show available on the internet, but you might find it in the PBS listings.

    Comment by Brandon Svec — February 25, 2008 @ 3:19 pm


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