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October 24, 2007

Cherry or grape?

Filed under: Alameda, Alameda Point, Development — Tags: , , — Lauren Do @ 7:30 am

In a world where I could devote a whole working day to blogging this is what I would have done.   I would have ripped the video from the City website of Monday’s Planning Board meeting and cut out the introduction by Peter Calthorpe post that and say: “Watch it dammit!” I was already a fan of Peter Calthorpe, but after listening to him speak, I’ve drunk the kool-aid and asked for another glass.   If there ever was a rock star in the planning and land use world, he would be it.  And it’s not that he’s just a really good speaker with prepared notes, this guy believes in what he is doing and has a lot of passion it.   

Take a look at his approximately 10 minute speech which starts around 18:04, and he will be at the Mastick meeting tonight at 6:30 pm to talk more about the initial steps that have been taken in the planning process.   Peter Calthorpe’s vision is definitely very idealistic, but according to the SunCal representative at the meeting, anything that will be proposed will be in the realm of the possible.

Here is a 2002 interview that I found really interesting, excerpts:

…Scott London: In a nutshell, how would you describe good urban design?

Peter Calthorpe: My short and simple answer is that a well-designed city is walkable. It’s a place where your destinations are close enough to walk to and where you feel safe enough to walk. And it’s a place that is interesting enough socially to make you feel that walking is perhaps something more than just getting from point A to point B. I think that is the heart of it.

London: It seems incredible that those subsidies are still in place given that America doesn’t look anything like it did following the Second World War.

Calthorpe: Right. If you look at the demographics, only 25 percent of the population is made up of married families — two people with one or more kids. The other 75 percent are “other.” And one size doesn’t fit all when it comes to housing. However, everybody invests in the same house because of resale and mortgage deduction and other externalities that are dampening the true diversity of our communities. What we need is a much broader spectrum of housing opportunities, from apartments that are conveniently located to townhouses for people without kids to duplexes to small-lot, single-family homes.

London: You’ve written about the importance of creating “ecologically sound” communities. What does that mean?

Calthorpe: There are lots of layers to it. Some people argue that we ought to build communities using materials that demand less of the global resource-base. Other people have pointed out that we can make more energy-efficient buildings. I worked in these fields in the 70s. But over the last two decades I’ve focused more on how destructive the automobile is — socially, aesthetically and environmentally. Given that we are tripling the number of vehicle-miles traveled per household per year, this upward spiral of auto-use grabs my attention the most. It’s also something that is in all of our faces. We now live in worlds with six-lane arterials and parking lots. The only peaceful place left is our living room and our backyards, so it’s no wonder that we tend to retreat away from community and neighborhood. Once you get out there, it’s just cars.

You can lead that issue down lots of paths: the amount of land area it takes to create the parking; the impact of all that asphalt on water quality; the lack of percolation in the soil; natural aquifer recharging; amount of land-area lost in terms of displaced ag and habitat; and of course air quality. But it all comes down to a really simple thing: We have a myopic transportation system. The way we design our communities doesn’t allow walking, doesn’t provide decent transit systems and doesn’t provide alternatives to the car…

21 Comments »

  1. I attended the meeting and heard his presentation. It was a great presentation and I’m excited about his vision. We will certainly learn more about the feasiblity of his vision in the months to come.

    The other interesting thing that came up in the planning board meeting is the Catellus appeal which happens on November 4th. Catellus is appealing the sidewalk decision by the planning board. The wharf decision is also being appealed at this meeting. I also learned at the planning board meeting that the large format building at Alameda Landing has already been approved by the city council —-which I think means that Catellus would not be required to get council approval for a Target in that building.

    It’s not that I don’t want a Target in Alameda — I just believe that this is the wrong site for a Target. This is a great waterfront site with great possibilities. It’s part of the gateway into Alameda and the gateway to Alameda Point and it makes a powerful statement of who we are. A foundation has been laid for a great Lifestyle Center at Alameda Landing with the high end homes at Bayport, and Cliff Bar and what’s happening at Summer House. In my opinion a retail power center with Target as the anchor at Alameda Landing would be going in the wrong direction. There are other sites in Alameda that are more appropriate for a retail power center.

    We have an opportunity to expand our vision and correct past planning errors. The last discount center that was developed on the waterfront (South Shore Center) was a disaster. I hope it’s not too late to have our council look at the direction this project is going. Perhaps we have one last chance and that is on November 4th!

    Karen B

    Comment by Karen Bey — October 24, 2007 @ 11:15 am

  2. Correction: the appeal date is November 6th, not November 4th.

    Karen B

    Comment by Karen Bey — October 24, 2007 @ 11:31 am

  3. Re. Cherry or Grape

    Better get ready, Alameda, Reverend Jimjones, newly resurrected as St. Peter of Suncal and his Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test have hit the street running (or walking since it has to be walkable). Better have a good strong toke of lemon-aid or something stronger unless you’re a Bayport Alamedan. Because the Kool-Aid they’re serving will transmorgify Bayport into Baypoint and the whole experiment will be to determine if they can take the whole Naval Air Station and do a twenty-first century Bay Farm Island urban re-write. Oh, and you can kiss MA goodbye cause the Kool-Aid won’t go down without a high density Village’s help.

    Comment by Jack Richard — October 24, 2007 @ 1:53 pm

  4. Time for your meds, Jack?

    Comment by Roberto — October 24, 2007 @ 5:27 pm

  5. Roberto – If you can read look at the wall; it’s all right there.

    The corporations have bought the politicians by putting them in power, and now corporate profit projections will determine how Alameda will grow, and no damned citizens will get in the way.

    For a related story on Cowan and Perata’s piracy, and the hijacking of an island and it’s boats, see http://news.eastbayexpress.com/2007-10-24/news/ferryboats-and-mcmansions/

    Comment by David Kirwin — October 24, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

  6. Jack and Kirwin,

    Have either of you either read Calthorpe’s stuff or viewed the meeting referenced before you stared blowing smoke?

    Jack, you can be very entertaining and all, but before you spew more of your knee-jerk tripe, I’d like to at least know if you actually know anything about the person you are demeaning here.

    Comment by Mark I — October 24, 2007 @ 8:06 pm

  7. It is the wall. And it’s the wall that keeps Bayport from “seamlessly” integrating into
    Alameda. The “wall” metaphorically or not is a territorial mark. The people Calthorpe sees walking around the village square are denizens of the Potemkin village who will come through the tube, turn right and marvel at the deja vu solar Hamilton Field. But it won’t be Alameda. Just like the ex-garbage dump that’s now Bay Farm Island isn’t.

    It could be, though. I think it was Dennis Green who wanted to call the bluff of the anti-MA crowd by calculating the mix of housing in the rest of Alameda and then require the developer to replicate what already exists. Better yet, let’s just subdivide the portion of the Point designated as residential, sell the lots and let whomever buys the lots build whatever the hell they want. That’s seamless Alameda.

    Re # 6
    Mark I. I certainly am not demeaning Mr. Calthorpe. It wasn’t he who drank the Kool-Aid. It’s Alameda I’m concerned about, not Mr. Calthorpe or Suncal.

    Comment by Jack Richard — October 24, 2007 @ 8:27 pm

  8. #7

    “Better yet, let’s just subdivide the portion of the Point designated as residential, sell the lots and let whomever buys the lots build whatever the hell they want. That’s seamless Alameda.”

    I really like this idea. It is how Alameda originally developed before the age of major developers. People would by small lots and build a few speculative homes. They would then take the profits and use some to buy a few more small lots… The hodge-podge that is Alameda grew out of this. It really cannot be replicated by a major developer. I suppose that we would need to zone land as residential. If someone bought a lot and decided to build townhomes, then let the market decide. If some people want to buy a 700 square foot home on a 1500 sq ft lot, then let them have that choice. What we like about Alameda grew from lots of individuals making lots of individual decisions without excessive government intrusion. The government cannot now mandate what was once voluntary.

    Comment by Alameda NayTiff — October 24, 2007 @ 8:42 pm

  9. I would really like this too, except for one little detail– cleaning up the toxics.

    Comment by Kevis Brownson — October 25, 2007 @ 12:05 am

  10. NO matter how different Bayport, or Bay Farm, or any other home developement is to the rest of Almeda , IT IS, it is Alameda. NO, definitely not “old Alameda”, certainly not The Alameda of 100 or even 50 years ago. But it is the Almeda of today.

    This notion that Alameda is something that happened a long time ago is foolish. Yes, yes, we all bought/moved here because of that “charm” and thats just great. But if you think that with these new developments that “charm” can be as easily replicated then you are seriously naive. I would guess that even more than the “charm” people moved here because of the potential.

    Yeah it would be nice if everything was all well matched and seamless, but it’s not. and it will never be. If you don’t like the Mcmansions in Bayport, then fine. Go buy a Mcmansion in the Fernside or Gold Coast. I don’t particularly care to turn the West end into Dublin, but shit, while people complain about how it will never look like “old Alameda” Old Alameda is rotting away.With few exceptions, Park, Webster, Santa Clara, Lincoln, are blighted as all hell. Why don’t we do something to fix that problem before we try and replicate across town.

    Comment by Mark D — October 25, 2007 @ 9:37 am

  11. And about (the buy a lot, build a home) idea, that would be fine if we wanted the west end to be a construction site for the next 80 years.

    Comment by Mark D — October 25, 2007 @ 9:38 am

  12. Re. 11 and 10

    Mark D, I don’t know what you’re responding to but if was my posts on this subject, please note:

    Alameda, including the west east north and south ends, has been a construction site since it was established. I don’t see why continued construction is an argument for or against anything.

    I didn’t say anything about having a desire to replicate past period construction, that was Dennis Green’s thought.

    I didn’t say anything about “matching” old Alameda. Besides, if all our “old Alameda were rotting away (and I don’t agree with your premise that it is rotting away) what difference does it make whether private folks buy lots then build what they want or developers build what they think will sell? Better yet what’s “rotting away” got to do with anything? If Park, Webster, Santa Clara, Lincoln are blighted as “hell” than I might change my saintly ways and go south.

    Seamless integration of the Point into the rest of Alameda, to me, has a more historical than physical connotation. Though the walls do make an unsightly seam.

    As Alameda NayTiff alluded to above, historically, most of Alameda’s dwellings were not micro-managed through developers. People bought lots and built what they individually wanted whether it was to live in or to sell. That’s why Alameda architecture isn’t matched but, except for the recent past, is seamless.

    Comment by Jack Richard — October 25, 2007 @ 4:51 pm

  13. For not knowing, your response is rather defensive.

    My rant, and yes it was a rant, was simply a hodge podge of thoughts and opinions, that is still the way blogs work , yes?

    Comment by Mark D — October 25, 2007 @ 8:42 pm

  14. Are there new demands imposed by living in the 21st century? I think there are. Unfortunately the next 80 years is likely to be ever more different than the last eighty years with each passing year, or even each minute, as we seem to accelerate into the future exponentially faster and faster. Maybe this feeling is a flash back from the Electric Kool-Aid I once drank, but I think it’s modern times relentlessly baring down on us. The impacts on the carrying capacity of the planet transmogrifies our experience of living on it. Six billion and counting, and they are all want to live in pastoral Alameda!

    Does anybody know precisely when we started imposing zoning? That’s just one condition which didn’t exist when there was a quarter acre between each house and no plan for building out Alameda except a grid. The notion that we should be able to build the way it was done originally has it’s appeal, but there are a million practical reasons why it won’t happen, besides developers seeking a profit. Mitigating toxics is one. Efficiently offsetting the cost of infrastructure (hopefully including things like gray water systems) is just one more.

    Jack, I went a few rounds with Dennis Green over a couple of his columns on Measure A. His suggestion that we proportionally match the existing architecture on the island was tongue in cheek and apparently meant to chide BOTH sides.

    Dennis has gone from supporting Measure A to being open to amendments at the Point, but with great skepticism about the process I think. He has now pretty much taken a pox on both sides attitude towards activists. When I insisted that there would have been no movement, or dialogue at all, were it not for those who want a critical discussion of Measure A, it was the last straw for Mr. Green and he bounced me from his email in-box for life. But I digress…

    City planning used to pretty much be about timing stop lights. Landscape architecture only evolved into a recognized art form in the 1880s after Frederick Law Olmstead pulled off a few unprecedented projects like Central Park in the dreaded NYC. I am personally very excited to have the likes of Peter Calthorpe involved in our endeavor. It could be a precedent setting (”ground breaking” har-har) opportunity. I’m sorry some folks think the precedents would all be dire.

    I was annoyed by Jack Richards’ first post because he seemed so dismissive of someone whose ideas have so much positive potential, and his initial remarks didn’t indicate that he had even considered the specific content of Calthorpe’s presentation.

    Unless there is a sudden proliferation of the infamous bread mold which occurred in that medieval French village, I doubt Jack need worry about Alamedans flocking en mass to embrace Calthorpe’s ideals.

    Tim Leary was in many respects a dangerous and cavalier fellow, but it seems like some of us could use a little mind bending to help see around the next corner.

    Comment by Mark I — October 30, 2007 @ 9:38 pm

  15. Re # 14

    Toxic’s have to be mitigated regardless of who builds at the Point. The notion that toxic’s have anything to do with whether or not regular folks or a developer has access to land designated as residential doesn’t signify. I guess what you’re saying is, we must have a developer to offset the infrastructure cost at the point. I thought SunCal subbed out the actual building of structures after the infrastructure, designated lot sizes and uses were determined. Why couldn’t the lots designated as residential be sold to and the housing on the lots be built by individuals instead of corporations? I think this “seamless” development at the Point should be spelled “seemless”.

    I guess the one quote from Leary that stuck in my mind is. “Think for yourself and question autority”.

    Comment by Jack Richard — October 31, 2007 @ 8:48 am

  16. #15 It’s a weird time for them to launch, but SunCal is ramping up their own home building division. Not being publicly owned, they may have an easier time than Lennar, who is huge and is struggling with the home sales slow down and loan situation.

    The building shows on TV are fun to watch, and as a small time operator myself, my favorite client is an ambitious home owner who wants to be his or her own contractor, but it can be a wicked learning curve and a rude awakening for even the smartest novice to manage a construction project. I have probably worked off more bad plans than good ones and it is amazing how protracted the design and permitting process can get. A free standing new structure would not have a lot of the issues that come from remodeling, but it’s still a lot of coordinating.

    Mark D.’s projection of an 80 year build out sounds about right. A process like that might scare off more folks than it would attract, and then there are the banks.

    Yours is an O.K. Leary quote. I just remember in about 1966 my father being enraged with Leary’s glib “tune in, turn on, drop out”, as my older brother at 18 had been turned on at that point and thought the gates to heaven had opened.

    I desperately wanted more meaning in life and was sent to a Quaker summer camp about the same time. The cook’s assistant, who was an older kid with a head of wild curly hair, said, “Hey man, if you want to drop out, you best have somewhere to DROP IN TO.” Great wisdom from a mere lad of sixteen. I tried to ignore that obvious truth and was in free fall for a while before the inevitable hard landing.

    Comment by Mark I — November 6, 2007 @ 8:33 pm

  17. In reference to post #15. If the lots at Alameda Point were to be sold to individuals only I do not think that it would be a seamless type of building because of the cost. It would mean that a lot of very wealthy people would start buying and building big Mac Mansions. The average family could not afford to build there and we would end up with another Harbor Bay, not looking like the rest of Alameda.
    When Alameda was originally developed the land and infastructure costs were far less than they would be today. Its just the times we live in. John P.

    Comment by john piziali — November 7, 2007 @ 7:58 am

  18. # 17

    “Seamless”, to me doesn’t mean the buildings at the Point have to look like the rest of Alameda or have anything to do with cost.

    Wealthy people bought land here in the nineteenth century and built big pseudo Vic-Mansions which, by the way, are cherished so much in this city now that, for some reason, (probably because some think a long-forgotten developer inspired queen built houses in Britannia) Alameda has chosen to protect them like the non-least Terns on land fill…but I digress.

    And, I’m sorry John, but there are no “average” families in Alameda. Never have been, never will be.

    # 16

    As far as keeping Mark I employed reworking over zealous, under talented undertakings, the Point should be rezoned as a free for all, everything permitted (safety excepted) from sod houses and igloos to Mac-what-evers and nothing not allowed in anyone’s bakass yard. Throw the dice…drop inn.

    Comment by Jack Richard — November 7, 2007 @ 10:59 am

  19. #18 response to #16 WTF?

    John P. is right about the real McMansion syndrome, as the Oakland fire rebuild would substantiate.

    Comment by Mark I — November 7, 2007 @ 3:39 pm

  20. Post 18. come on Jack there are many average families in Alameda, I include myself in that description. Perhaps you just have not been to the West End where we all live. My father was born in Italy and moved to Alameda when he first had childern, He worked for the railroad and Shell Development as an electrician and paid about three thousand dollars for the home I live in now. I’am just an average citizen. Sorry.

    I’m glad you inserted Safety excepted because I don’t think that sod house would hold up in an earth quake. “average John P.”

    Comment by john piziali — November 7, 2007 @ 4:19 pm

  21. From what I was told in Alameda, most of the Vic-Mansions, were build for wealthy people. The small cottages on the island were for their servants. I don’t know if is affordable housing available in Alameda any longer even if we get away from measure A.

    There is a small cottage at 905 San Antonio Ave, which looks like from the outside needs a lot of work, the asking price is $450,000. My last apartment was much larger…and my estimate is you will be paying close to $6,000 in property tax a year. It has been for sale quite awhile, so I believe it is probably overpriced.

    Lastly, as far as the McMansion syndrome as Mark I., called them, that is old Alameda, it is nothing new.

    What developer will build a house which is 500-700 sq ft and expect to sell it for $500,000 which seem to be the going rate here? They can build something 2 or 3 times as large and you not only sell them but make a profit. Another solution is maybe subsidise the 1,800 new home to be build at Alameda Point. I go back and forth on measure A but right now as I am writing my check for property tax, I am on the other side.

    Comment by Joel — November 7, 2007 @ 7:57 pm


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