Rip Rap
Why is the post called “Rip Rap”? Because I have now seen the term twice for two projects and had no idea what it was, so had to look it up on trusty Wikipedia. Plus it’s just a pretty neat phrase.
Tonight, on the Planning Board agenda are some items of interest concerning Alameda Landing. As reported by the Alameda Journal:
…In January, the city approved Catellus’ 77-acre housing and commercial development at the site of a former Navy supply center along the Estuary. As part of the development, Catellus planned a public promenade on 12 acres along the water adjacent to the headquarters of energy-snack maker Clif Bar.
Due to the infrastructure problems, Catellus now has come back with a new plan for that area that will change pieces of the overall design and reduce publicly accessible open space by about an acre. The original plan approved by the city had required no less than eight acres of open space.
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The problem on the northern waterfront is that as many as three-fourths of the 7,116 pilings holding up the wharf along the water’s edge are corroded. In addition, the soils and embankments under the wharf need seismic retrofitting…
Surprise surprise, infrastructure problems on former military property. No way! So what the article goes on to say though that Clif Bar, remember, they are getting one of the rehabilitated warehouses next to the water, will still get their rehabilitated warehouse on the water. But the warehouse to the west of the Clif Bar one will be torn down. The text in the staff report mentions that the intent is to set back the second building from the water to increase the amount of public space in front of NCBB (Not Clif Bar’s Building). Staff say that there is now an increase in public open space on this section from the orginial 44 feet from building to water to 100 feet from building to water. All fine and good, but as other people mentioned during those workshops if there is nothing on that side of the development to keep activity “alive” during non business hours, the open space will be useless for evenings and weekends. And while the Clif Bar retail store and restaurant are a good start, it’s going to take more than that to keep that end of the Landing jumping. It might be nice to include, in the new building, small retail space for a cafe or something like that as the Miracle League is planned for that end of Alameda Landing. It could be very useful for folks during practice or games…but I digress.
The biggest change however, should please some folks who complained about lack of access to the water itself. Because Catellus doesn’t want to shell out the $30 - 35 million (who can blame them?) to fix the supports in order to build what they had approved initially, they have instead proposed a secondary level that the public will walk down to to be closer to the water, it will be 40 feet wide and will ostensibly provide better access to docks for kayakers or boats. That is, if docks are included in the plan.
So, we’re going from 11.9 acres of open space to 10.8 acres, losing about 1.1 acres…although can you technically “lose” something if you never had it in the first place? The staff report is quick to point out that a minimum of 8 acres is required under the master plan. Of course we could all be extra wowed or extra disappointed if we only had some drawings to look at. Evidently, even though the text references renderings that would give one a better idea of what we can expect, there are none to be found on the website as part of the packet. Of course there is a tiny note on the website that says:
*Site Plans are available for review in the Planning & Building Department during regular business hours.
Yeah, but who has time to get down to the Planning & Building Department during regular business hours? So now, I have to wait until the meeting tonight (or watch it tomorrow morning) and squint at the tiny little picture that is the Web feed and then try to make out what is on the overhead projector — which is almost black on the television. And I’m complaining about this because I know that most people are going to be interested in what the agenda item previous to the waterfront change should look like, in drawing format. Yes, Catellus is request design approval for the retail center portion of the project. Which includes “large format stores” like building A, which if I remember correctly will be at corner of 5th Street and Tinker/Stargell. They say that have tweaked a lot of the plans based on feedback from the Planning Board, but how would we all know because there are no fricken renderings. And although I have a great imagination, I just can’t visualize what providing “more fluctuation in the envelope” means. Maybe that’s just my own personal deficit. So big night tonight for Alameda Landing watchers.
It would be nice if they at least updated their website (www.alamedalanding.com) with the current plans. It always bugs me when companies that have the capacity set up these fancy sites to keep the public “informed” and then don’t bother to keep them current.
Comment by notadave — September 24, 2007 @ 7:46 am
I just hope they don’t tweak away everything I liked about the project. The design was the best part. I’m also concerned about the large format stores — Alameda Landing is supposed to be a lifestyle center and not a retail power center. One is more upscale and the other is mor discounters. The tenant mix needs to be managed real closely on this project to make sure we end up with the retailers we want.
Comment by Karen Bey — September 24, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
Could not agree more with Karen, As much as I love the new ATC design, with very few exceptions, I have yet to see any of the so-called upscale tenants which were talked about. I mean, TJ maxx is fine i guess, but really, it’s just a shiny newer looking Ross. After a lackluster roster at Bridgeside, again with very few exceptions, I hope Alameda landing actually turns out to be what we were promised. But who knows, maybe I’m alone here . . .
Comment by Mark D — September 24, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
I look forward to seeing the plans, too. Apparently the water shuttle landing is still in place despite these changes. This is good news for bicyclists and pedestrians eager to use the water shuttle that will run between Oakland and Alameda Landing.
Comment by cyndy — September 24, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
I find it alarming that no one noticed the problems with the wharf before the first plans were submitted. Doesn’t that seem odd?
If a problem of that magnitude was missed in the planning process for Alameda Landing, what might be lurking at Alameda Point? There should be a comprehensive audit of infrastructure conducted at the Point so we can avoid more surprises like this down the road. Has such an audit already been done, and/or was one done for Alameda Landing? If so, then how to explain the heretofore unknown rotting wharf?
Comment by Mike Rich — September 25, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Mike,
Nothing is wrong w/ Alameda Point. All you need is Wishful Thinking. With enough Wishful Thinking, it of course could not be a Toxic Dump.
Comment by Jack B — September 25, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
Jack,
We all know about that and it is bad enough already without other surprises down the road.
Comment by Mike Rich — September 25, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Something I just noticed. Does anybody remember the website toxicspot.com? They used to have very detailed maps/data about Alameda Point and the cleanup involved. I don’t know who ran it but I linked my old Alameda site to it and used to peruse.
This is the existing version, same url as it was:
http://www.toxicspot.com/military/alameda/
So I’ve tried using the wayback machine for both the above link and site where they are linking to (a homepage on earthlink), and even when I get those old html pages w/ content, none of the graphics (w/ the maps) show up. The wayback machine has been failing me on this… maybe somebody else can find it?
So I guess I know less, now.
Comment by Jack B — September 25, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
I guess it was your great imagination that blinded you from the possibility of these kinds of changes from happening with the Catellus plans. Ann Cook, the lawyer with waterfront development experience who sits on the planning board warned of this - she argued to get the expressed intent by Catellus in writing. She complained that so much of the spoken plans, the color artists’ renderings, the whole ‘show’ was not written into the agreement with Catellus. With forewarning ignored you now get let your imagination provide the amenities we were promised. (Notice the public amenities seem to be the 1st to get cut as the first “new” problems are encountered?) You can also let your imagination provide a Macy’s or Sears instead of Target or Wal-mart being the new Alameda Landing anchor, and your imagination or someone else’s can dream up solutions to traffic, while those stuck in daily traffic get slapped by the reality of more empty promises.
Alamedans like you may still learn to use the gift of imagination to protect and nurture the qualities of life Alameda offered, and stop using your imagination to find more ways to place these qualities on the proverbial chopping block.
Comment by David Kirwin — September 25, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Jack, I believe it’s here
Comment by johnknoxwhite — September 25, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Thanks John.
Comment by Jack B — September 25, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I agree with Karen, the site needs some quality stores not some more discount stores which Alameda has more than its share with South Shore, Ace, the tobacco store at Marina Village and a ton of franchise fast food places (although I wouldn’t mind seeing a Starbucks or Peets there or a Jamba Juice. The medium income is fairly high here, bring in some quality stores.
Alameda Towne Centre is mostly discount stores…with a few exceptions.
Even though Gap and Banana Republic are not high end…like to see them. How about a Abercrombie and Finch, a sports store, Pottery Barn, some nice restaurants, like Jack London Square, a nice book store,…I would mention some nice women’s stores, but that is not my area.
I think if you bring in a Target or such to anchor the development that is the sort of stores which you will have in the whole development. It will also probably hurt the development of leasing the office space as well as the 300 units of housing, because who wants to live or work or go out to eat next to Target…they would loose money in the long run.
Comment by Joel — September 25, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Delusional (and Ranting) kirwin is back to what he knows best … perhaps you should stick to taking pictures of Grand St and sending them to your echo chamber!
Comment by Roberto — September 25, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
When is Catellus presenting a prospective tenant list? Everytime I read “large format i.e bulding A and the like; I can’t help but think TAGET, WALMART, HOME DEPOT.
Comment by Mark D — September 26, 2007 @ 7:23 am
RE:#14 that would be ironic since this whole Landing was spawned by the public outcry against big box retail that Catellus first proposed when the R&D market went south. That would hardly be the ideal neighbor as far as Clif Bar is concerned.
Jack,
That original Toxicspot (or was it toxispot ?) was posted by West End resident and chemical engineer Patrick Lynch (not the Planning Board pres). He and his wife Jean Nader have been very active on affordable housing issues, but seemed to have taken a lower profile since having a child a few years ago. I have seen Patrick at a meeting regarding the Landing in the last year, I think. He was definitely active fighting the Bayport sound wall.
It may be a twisted fragment of my imagination, but way, way back when Catellus was actually competing for the FISC contract against Martin Group and Lincoln Properties I thought their preliminary pie in the sky design for the water front included some kind of construction on over those pilings, but we were advised that this was contingent on the load bearing capacity of the structure.
I am not willing to make all the nefarious assumptions which Mr. Kirwin makes, but I can see no reason why any party should have been completely blind sided here, least of all the developer. But I am not crystal clear on every aspect of every design proposal which has been put forth. I bet a quick boat ride past the frontage would make the condition fairly obvious even without a hard hat diver taking core samples from the pilings.
Next to my vague knowledge over ten plus years of trying to keep up, I’m willing to bet the average Alamedan knows next to zilch. I’m not even clear how to judge the impact of this new juggling of net open space, distance to waterfront from structures, etc.
Comment by Mark I — September 26, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
I also remember Anne Cook warning us that alot of what Catellus proposed was not in writing. The community gave Catellus their overwhelming support for this project but I’m afraid to say the project going forward is NOT the project the community supported. The buildings are massive —- this is a big box retail power center not the lifesytle center that we were promised.
Comment by Karen B — September 27, 2007 @ 7:15 am
Do we have a summary of the new changes vs what was proposed earlier?
Comment by Roberto — September 27, 2007 @ 9:17 am
Lifestyle centers dont usually wrap retail around LARGE parking lots. Strip malls and Big box centers most always do.
I hope this isn’t another “well the market isn’t ready for that just yet, so we’re bringing in such and such store (i.e Target)To lure in other more high end retailers later on”
renderings were nice, but the overall layout just doesn’t seem to fit in with the whole “lifestyle center” concept.
Comment by Mark D — September 27, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
My perception was there wasn’t going to be a lot of parking?
Comment by Joel — September 27, 2007 @ 8:20 pm