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May 23, 2007

Irony, thy name is Margie

Filed under: Alameda, City Council, Development, Measure A — Lauren Do @ 6:42 am

The next in an occassional series on ironic statements made by folks comes from one of my favorite prolific writers on Alameda Daily News — although, not as much lately — Margie Joyce.   I’m disappointed in the lack of…enthusiasm that normally shines through Margie J.’s letters, but away we go:

It pains me to witness the vitriol that is rapidly becoming the agenda on both sides of the pro and con arguments relating to the issue of Measure A. It is dividing the citizenry in a very unhealthy way.

It needs to be clearly understood that all of us who favor retaining Measure A act on it solely for the current preservation of our Treasured Island. That is our ONLY agenda. We are not paid or subsidized nor influenced by any outside pressure.

In my view, the proponents of striking down or revising this Charter Amendment are misguided and, in many cases, influenced by the corporate culture and real estate factions involved in that attempt. I have never bought the “affordable housing” ploy and never will. It’s phony.

We need to get real here. The future of Alameda is at stake. I implore the Planning Board, Council and City Staff to take some serious unbiased time to thoroughly investigate who/what precisely is behind the “Anti A” movement. Mysterious?

One example — I am suspicious of HOMES. My logical side prompts me to ask, who/what is dollar backing behind them and other anti-Measure A antagonists?

We need clarification and honest disclosure on the backing of the these factions that are so determined to either strike down or revise/alter Measure A. Alameda Point is being used by those entities to covertly strike down Measure A for that particular area. Lookout! It won’t stop there.

Margie J. writes that she it “pains” her to “witness the vitriol that is rapidly becoming the agenda on both sides of the pro and con arguments relating to the issue of Measure A.”  She recognizes that it might possibly be dividing “the citizenry in a very unhealthy way.”   But Margie J. doesn’t let that recognition stand in the way of making her opinion known and casting her own aspersions on certain groups and individuals in Alameda.  

She first clarifies that people like her, in fact, she is bold enough to use an absolute statement annoucing that “all of us who favor retaining Measure A act on it solely for the current preservation of our Treasured Island.”   Stating that it is the ”ONLY agenda” of folks like her and that they have not been “paid or subsidized nor influenced by any outside pressure.”   Now that she has plainly established herself and others like her on the side of angels, she forgets her earlier statement about the citizentry dividing vitriol and goes on the offensive.

She calls those that she percives as “Anti-Measure A:” “misguided” and ”influenced by the corporate culture and real estate factions.”   She judges that some of reasons to re-examine Measure A proferred by people are nothing more than an “‘affordable housing’ ploy” that she dismisses as “phony.”

Margie J. further decides to request the City Council, Planning Board, and City staff to “investigate who/what precisely is behind the ‘Anti A’ movement.”   It interesting that she makes this very impassioned request to a City Council majority which she had — less than two years ago — wanted to commence a recall process for around the issue of the Alameda Theater:

I am in total shock! How could you possibly have done what you did last night? I have completely lost complete faith in our city leadership and, frankly, think you should all be recalled!

I don’t normally write in a vitriolic manner, but this is absolutely the last straw. Had I the time and money, I would personally spearhead the recall process for all of you. You have betrayed the majority of Alameda citizens by your inattention and dishonorable behavior in doing what you did last night. Despite the myriad of speakers against the megaplex plan, you pertinaciously rejected the appeal and, thus, agreed to that abominable megaplex-parking garage plan. In so doing, you, in my view, violated all ethical standards of good city government. Shame on you.

Not respectfully,

Margie Joyce

Margie J. also asks for “clarification and honest disclosure on the backing of the these factions” and even uses an example of HOMES that she is “suspicious of” and wants to know “who/what is dollar backing behind them and other anti-Measure A antagonists.”  Well Margie J. I have to say I would like “clarification and honest disclosure on the backing” of some factions in Alameda as well.   But it’s not HOMES, Stop, Drop, and Roll has the “scoop:”

…I did catch a bit of “fact” that caught my eye. On the back of the brochure, are the three organizations to contact to support measure a:

Keep Measure A Organization

Keep Measure A Citizens for Alameda Neighborhoods

Action Alameda

Your eyes don’t deceive you, one group is listed twice. “Keep Measure A” the group started by Pat Bail and Diane Coler-Dark. There is one difference, though they have the same contact information (the contact numbers listed for the first iteration are the same as the second according to the Secretary of State, and the website is the same site created by the registered PAC), one of the “keep measure a” groups is registered as a political action committee and the other isn’t.

The Keep Measure A PAC is the same that first did not file its campaign finance spending in 2006. Then, they knowingly filed an erroneous campaign financing report.

So perhaps Margie J. should hold the folks that she has declared as having no agenda other than to perserve “our Treasured Island” to the same standard as those she is suspicious of.   Or maybe Margie J. would rather start trotting folks in front of a committee to assess their loyalities to Measure A couched as an “investigation” into following the money trail.   You can get a free pass to stay on the “Treasured Island” if you are willing to name names of those disloyal to Measure A.  

14 Comments »

  1. Transparency in PAC funding seems like a good idea. I think all Alamedans deserve to know who is behind the Anti-A crowd. Let’s give them access to the info so it remains a non-issue.

    Now, the mischaracterization of the affordable housing argument as “phony” is sad. It’s an error that Anti-A folks need to correct. So long as the Anti-A arguments are perceived as ploys, there is little chance of a meeting of the minds on these issues.

    It strikes me that the Pro-A folks are a paranoid lot who would prefer to seal the tunnels and put depth charges in the estuary in preservation of their peaceful community. Anti-A has to take this into account.

    Hide nothing. Give everything. Let the truth guide us.

    Comment by Anonymous Anti-A Person — May 23, 2007 @ 8:34 am

  2. “Hide nothing.” What a wonderful comment from an “Anonymous Anti-A Person

    Comment by geezer — May 23, 2007 @ 9:08 am

  3. I would like to see reform of Measure A for the Point, perhaps some other limited reform if possible, but only after an in depth look at historic impacts. I would never allow myself to be characterized as “Anti-Measure A” because I am not.

    I applied to the Historic Advisory Board almost as an political experiment, but ended up actually being appointed. I had to reorient myself to serve without political bias and due to the actual purview, that’s actually relatively easy, though I have deliberately brought up the subject of Measure A at a meeting because it was relevant to do so.

    Through serving I have had the great opportunity to get to know and work with some of the more serious preservationists in town. I have not polled the other four HAB, but just assumed they were probably inclined to protect Measure A.

    I have been pleasantly surprised that there are some pretty open minds in places I wouldn’t have expected when it comes to this subject. For many who truly value preservation as a priority, Measure A in it’s current form is seen as limiting.

    I have talked to Margie, once several years ago at a meeting about Bridgeside we spoke for about half an hour. I could easily pigeon hole her as a type, but I have to compliment her conviction even if she seems blind to her own contradictions here.

    I’m always game for a cynical laugh and Margie makes a huge target, but in the larger scheme I’m more concerned about other central players who have been truly devious, than this basically good hearted person. It is easy to make the case that Margie’s comments smack of McCarthyism, because they do, but if I had another half hour I’m sure I could reason with the woman. She once complimented me for a self critical comment as being “very self aware”. I hope she was right about that.

    Comment by Mark Irons — May 23, 2007 @ 10:08 am

  4. Comment #1 seems a bit fishy to me. First and foremost, why would someone arguing for transparency and accountability be afraid to sign his or her name?

    It’s also odd that this person would refer to his or her own “side” as “the Anti-A crowd.” For example, wouldn’t it be a bit odd to hear Al Gore talking about “the anti-global-warming crowd”? Such language subtly implies a herd or mob mentality, a negative connotation that one wouldn’t normally attach to supporters of one’s own cause.

    Like Mr. Irons, I object to the framing of the debate as “Pro-A” and “Anti-A.” Comment #1 looks like an attempt to lure people into accepting this overly simplistic and divisive approach to a complex issue. Anyone who favors a productive discussion of the future of development in Alameda should not take the bait.

    Comment by Michael Krueger — May 23, 2007 @ 11:35 am

  5. Word on #4.

    I also believe the same can be said with the “Anti-Measure A” stickers seen on the Alameda Daily News a couple of days ago too.

    (Either the sticker was MEANT to tick folks off intentionally or the posting of the sticker is. Either way, it’s fear-mongering, but well… that’s hardly anything new, right?)

    Framing the issue around contempt and fear is only red meat for those with closed minds.

    Or hey! Maybe we SHOULD make a sticker!

    How about…

    “Discuss Measure A — don’t toss it, but don’t be afraid to amend it if need be either”?

    (Nah. Wouldn’t fit on the sticker.)

    Besides, with Photoshop and selective out of context quoting, it’d become either:

    “… Measure A — … toss it…”
    or
    “… Measure A — … amend it…”

    Comment by Dave S. — May 23, 2007 @ 12:24 pm

  6. Comment #4 – Mr. Krueger

    What is fishy about compliance with the campaign funding law?

    What is fishy about suggesting that we need a meeting of the minds and that a removal of apparent funding improprieties would be required to accomplish it?

    Do you really have an issue with my message, or are you merely suspicious of my anonymity? Do you need my name to judge my ideas?

    Comment by Anonymous Anti-A Person — May 24, 2007 @ 10:18 pm

  7. I don’t know about Mr. Krueger but I would say if you want to talk and you believe in your cause then user your name. Otherwise your comments do not carry much weight. John P.

    Comment by John Piziali — May 25, 2007 @ 8:02 am

  8. OK, “Anonymous Anti-A Person,” I’ll take the bait . . . hook, line, and sinker.

    First of all, let’s take issue of anonymity off the table. There are sometimes very good reasons for remaining anonymous; after all, some of us have been threatened with legal action and even taken to court over things we have written on this very blog. No, I am not suspicious of your anonymity per se, nor do I have an issue with your “message.” My point is that your arguments are weak, your framing of the debate is divisive, and your comments do not appear to have been written in good faith.

    For example, your hand-wringing about campaign funding appears to be nothing more than a convenient segue to your real question of “who is behind the Anti-A crowd.” If you’ve been following the Measure A discussion at all, you know this is a non-issue. All of the major and even the minor players on all sides of the issue are well known. They speak at public meetings and write commentaries and letters to the editor under their own names. Many of them also write posts and comments under their own names on blogs, including the award-winning granddaddy of all Alameda blogs, Alameda Daily News. The “contact” section of the HOMES Web site lists all of the members of HOMES’ executive committee, which is more than can be said for Action Alameda. Your intellectually dishonest attempt to tie the legitimate issue of PAC funding with the completely unrelated non-issue of “who is behind the Anti-A crowd” is the tip-off that you’re up to no good.

    Your comments about affordable housing are another telltale sign that you are not who you claim to be. I am only aware of one individual responsible for repeated “mischaracterization of the affordable housing argument as ‘phony,’” and that person’s flawed arguments have been refuted again and again and again. Although a few have gone on to parrot the debunked claims, fortunately the misperception does not appear to be particularly widespread. Quite simply, there is no “error” to “correct.”

    In another bizarre twist, you wrote that the “Pro-A folks are a paranoid lot who would prefer to seal the tunnels and put depth charges in the estuary.” That is a strange choice of words for someone who claims to be sincerely interested in a “meeting of the minds.”

    It is all of that — coupled with your anonymity — that leads me to believe that you are not who you claim to be. I believe that most readers would agree that the only reason you chose to remain anonymous is that you’re not really trying to make arguments, but rather to cast aspersions under false pretenses. I do have a problem with that.

    Comment by Michael Krueger — May 25, 2007 @ 7:37 pm

  9. Thanks, Michael, for overlooking my anonymity.

    I agree that the who-is-behind-HOMES concern is a non-issue. That’s why I recommend full transparency to “keep it a non-issue” in my first post. You and I are together on this point.

    I, too, have seen only one person – Margie – mischaracterize the “affordable housing” argument as phony. That was in Laurens post here. I thought it was sad that Margie would feel that way. I gather that you dislike her statement too. I think we can agree that calling the idea of affordable housing “phony” is a mischaracterization. That’s all I meant. Thus, on this issue, too, we are together.

    Now, about the bizarre twist about calling the Pro-A folks a paranoid lot… I agree that my choice of words might not be polite, but I wanted to point out that I think they ARE paranoid, and this is an impediment to discussion. So, we pro-discussion folks should keep that in mind and look to dispel anything that looks untward right away. It’s just a sensitivity about which we must be aware. We should mitigate the paranoia, if any exists. I think we’re together on this one, too.

    I suppose you’re correct in saying I’ve framed the issue in a divisive way, though it wasn’t intentional. It appeared to me that one is either for keeping measure A as it is, or one is not. Perhaps that was too simplistic, and there’s a fuzzy middle ground that I missed. I ascribe no importance to the “framing” issue. If you say it’s divisive, then I yeild to your judgment and let you describe the debate more appropriately. We can be together on this one, too.

    I’m surprised how quickly the comments that I thought were innocuous can become suspect in your eyes. Methinks the literary combat so common of political blogs has gotten everyone a tad trigger happy. I really want an open discussion and eventual modification of Measure A. I don’t want to disenfranchise anyone or any idea in the process. And I apologize if my choice of words has been impolite or confusing at any point.

    Best to you!

    Comment by Anonymous Anti-A Person — May 26, 2007 @ 8:50 pm

  10. Anonymous Anti-A Person -
    Your last post is so typical of the small group that wants to change or abolish MA – a total load of crap! No wonder you want to remain Anonymous.

    Many – many people have shown the fallacy that abolishing MA would provide more affordable housing – That is a big fat lie – many people live here because they can’t afford to live in other places they would prefer. Is SF so much more affordable without MA? The point is obvious. We have laws that REQUIRE affordable housing. MA does not restrict the size of homes, but higher developer profits are created by building more expensive houses. On the other hand Alameda is a very desirable place to live and that means not everyone who wants to live here will be able to. This is not an affordability issue; it is an availability issue, for real estate sales that equates to a timing issue. The housing stock to meet every budget is already here, it just may not be on the market at a time of convenience for every buyer.

    Alameda also has lots of apartments, condos, and town homes. If a buyer wants one at a time one is not available for the desired budget, surrounding communities also have a lot available. If the buyer prefers Alameda, ask why. Likely it is because Alameda is the kind of place residents still want to preserve. We don’t want the kind of growth that will diminish the luster of this island city. We want reasonable growth that will not exceed our limitations as an island with limited access points to the mainland, the freeways, BART and trains. I look forward to a fair and balanced forum (unlike what we saw at Mastic), open discussion and debate.

    I’ll predict that no significant change to MA will ever occur unless limited to a particular project. Alameda residents have seen these smokescreens before. I look forward to seeing a variety of plans for Alameda Landing, one MA compliant and one with the good features of non-MA compliancy and none of the bad features of non-MA compliancy. Hopefully the voters will have the choice of one or the other or neither. (I have written several times about how I think MA could be changed for the AP project) I would vote for the changes I hope for at the Point, but I would never vote to end MA or limit it in any way other than for a specific plan.

    You and I may agree that further developer restrictions may be needed to include building a wider variety of homes. MA does not mandate the look of all these new developments that look like they were designed for “Stepford” families, and that don’t visually fit Alameda. Those were approved by the planning and development depts., not because of MA, that is another smokescreen myth.

    You say you are pro-discussion – yet you say “It appeared to me that one is either for keeping measure A as it is, or one is not.” What kind of attitude is that? Sounds like you are ready to discuss MA – but not to learn anything about the value of MA which would allow you to rethink your position. To you maybe discussion only means getting another opportunity to try to change MA. WHY?

    Comment by David Kirwin — May 27, 2007 @ 9:21 am

  11. DK, I really like the way the measure A protectionists have come up with the tactic that by saying something it must be true. Not a single person has refuted the fact that modifying measure A will provide more affordable housing. Your phrase “many-many people” sounds like a Pat Bailism – if Pat and I believe it, then everyone must. Thankfully, that is not true.

    Comment by notadave — May 28, 2007 @ 12:05 pm

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  14. I don’t believe their is one group or person who is behind the Anti-Measure A crowd. It may be several groups and many individuals. I didn’t know anything about Measure A until a year after I moved here. I was mostly Pro A at first until I started thinking about it, reading about it and realized my opinion had changed. There is nothing wrong with changing your opinion and keeping an open mind.

    Comment by Joel — June 4, 2007 @ 6:35 pm


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