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December 21, 2006

Certifiably organic

Filed under: Alameda, Alameda Landing, Alameda Point, Development, Measure A — Lauren Do @ 6:19 am

Just Plain Dave states:

The rest of Alameda developed organically for over a century, with development centered around transit (Park St and the various stations). Things were built according to demand and utility.

To which NIMBY echos with:

I’ve been trying to explain the concept or organic growth to anyone who cares to listen—and very few get it. You nailed it—it’s growth based on need, not greed. The analogy I have come up with is “just prune and water,” in other words allow things to develop over time, get rid of what’s bad without losing the good, respect what’s already there and experiment with new things in small steps.

Park Street and the other historic “Stations” in Alameda were developed long before the advent of Measure A.  There is nothing “organic” about growth that has to occur under Measure A.

Both Just Plain Dave and NIMBY talk about the need to develop based on “demand and utility” and “growth based on need, not greed.”  The San Francisco Chronicle recently reported on the anticipated population growth in the Bay Area and the potential for there not to be sufficient housing for that growth, some excerpts:

The Bay Area’s population will rise by about 2 million people over the next 30 years…

Planners and demographers said Thursday it may be time for the Bay Area to bite the bullet and plan for density, because people will continue coming here to work.

That population growth is likely to exacerbate the long-standing housing shortage in the Bay Area, say regional planners inside and outside the [A]ssociation [of Bay Area Governments]. The housing shortage is something that must be addressed regionwide and not just city by city, they say.

At a presentation of the 30-year plan in Oakland on Thursday, planners with the association said cities will need to create multifamily housing and boost growth in areas that are hubs of public transportation to accommodate the projected 2035 Bay Area population of 9 million.

The report recommends cities create a variety of housing options, from single-family residences to multifamily residences such as townhouses, and believe that 20,000 to 25,000 units of housing will be created each year.

Cities in the Bay Area should plan where new housing can be built and minimize red tape that delays construction, Fassinger said, repeating a refrain commonly heard in the Bay Area for at least two decades.

That’s much easier to say than to do, said Hans Johnson, a research fellow with the Public Policy Institute of California. Surveys conducted by that organization show that city planners rate interest in creating multifamily housing just above creating zones of heavy industrial development. [emphasis added]

I’ve linked to this report before, but ABAG came out with an updated version of this report: A Place to Call Home which lays out the housing situation in the Bay Area.  So, if this article and report do not show both a “need” versus “greed” scenario or a “demand” for housing, I’m not sure what other proof is necessary.  Jump to page 27 of the report and it shows that Alameda has only built 30% of its housing allocation regionally.   Some excerpts from the report which show the results from not having enough housing and therefore reducing affordablity:

The lack of affordable housing options in the Bay Area forces many consumers into paying a higher percentage of their income for housing. This leaves families with less to spend on necessities such as food, childcare, and healthcare, and at local businesses.

While some families respond to the shortage of affordable housing choices by paying more than they can afford for housing, others end up in overcrowded homes as a way to lower their housing costs. Four Bay Area counties— Santa Clara, San Francisco, San Mateo, and Alameda— rank within the top 100 counties in the U.S. relative to overcrowded housing.

Travel patterns are dictated by the location of people’s homes, jobs, and other activities. In the Bay Area, high housing costs force many people to move to less costly areas and accept longer commutes—sometimes from outside the region. And, of course, high housing costs and traffic congestion limit economic growth.

NIMBY recommended on another post that I

…should read at least the introduction to the General Plan—it gives a pretty good overview of what kind of city the people of Alameda already decided they want, and it outlines the general direction. Unlike much other city documentation, it’s a very thoughtful and well-written document.

Fair enough, I read it and I don’t disagree with what is written there, as I have stated before.  Some things I found:

Alameda has always been a quiet, predominantly residential community, an ideal urban/suburban community created in an era when commutes were by rail or ferry. The City does not have or want tall buildings, freeways, highway commercial strips, or vast tracts of look-alike housing.

I don’t want tall buildings (I think skyscraper, you may think four stories is tall, but “tall” is pretty subjective and since no dimensions are laid out in the General Plan, who is to say who is right?)  I don’t want freeways or highway commercial strips either.  I don’t like vast tracts of look-alike housing, but “look-alike” is also subjective.  I don’t think the homes in Bayport are look alike, but others may.  I think the homes on Bay Farm are a lot more look-alike, but due to age, wear, and decades of homeowners personalizing their property have taken on a more…”organic”…look.

Continuing on:

The City’s rich and diverse residential, commercial, industrial, and institutional architecture is continually gaining recognition as an irreplaceable asset. The Bay Area has no similar communities and none will be built. The General Plan emphasizes restoration and preservation as essential to Alameda’s economic and cultural environment.

I don’t disagree with this either, but with the limitations of Measure A and the challenges to the Work/Live ordinance, how do we restore and preserve older buildings in Alameda to some constructive use if we don’t try to think out of the proverbial box and be more creative?

And:

In a city where almost every street is a residential street, it is not surprising that increased traffic is seen as a major threat to the quality of life. The General Plan commits Alameda to vigorous support of transit improvements, ferry service, reduction of peak-hour use of single-occupant vehicles, and an enjoyable pedestrian environment.

I don’t disagree with this either, but reducing auto usage does not come with ceasing development and progress altogether, it comes with smart planning.   I’m all for transit improvments and a enjoyable pedestrian environment.  Personally, I would prefer walking to driving any day since I have terrible road rage. 

I just want to highlight the fact that the general plan mentions that Alameda is “an ideal urban/suburban community.”  And like other urban communities, hopefully when we do move forward we can plan for a community that is inclusive, diverse, and takes into account the needs of people of every age level and every income level.

34 Comments »

  1. Glad you picked up this thread here and took it out of the entrance sign thread – sheesh, for a bunch of dogs, we’re harder to herd than cats.

    Regarding Dave’s suggestion to sell of the land in small parcels – how is that effective? Wouldn’t it be better for the city to work with one master developer as opposed to a number of different developers?

    Comment by notadave — December 21, 2006 @ 8:38 am

  2. Both Nimby and Dave have floated this wonderful picture of Alameda being built one house, one block at a time with no master development of infrastructure taking place. This as opposed to a build out at Alameda Point “overnight” In fact, it has been projected that the build out will take at least 10 years, and if you include the retail space may take up to 20 years – at the end of which we will have 1,500-3,000 new buildings.

    I did a quick look at the city of Alameda’s website, and the pages on history. Alameda was created in 1884, and the first major buildout began in 1904. Between then and 1930, more than 10,000 buildings were put up – that is more than ten times the growth rate projected at Alameda Point.

    Comment by notadave — December 21, 2006 @ 8:46 am

  3. notadave, do you know if there are any specific restrictions to forming a community land trust at the Point, for example? We seem to love to invest in municipal enterprises—how about putting our money where our mouth is when it comes to affordable housing and control over development?

    Comment by NIMBY — December 21, 2006 @ 9:43 am

  4. I didn’t necessarily mean to sell in small parcels. What I meant was to zone the land BY parcel, and then sell. I’m not sure it much matters if it’s sold all at once or sold to several diff parties, as long as the zoning codes and infrastructure stipulations are clear.

    My primary point on this matter is that it is ludicrous for the city to pony up cash, as well as guarantee a profit. The city owns the land. The land has value, determined primarily by its zoning & location. Sell the land, cash goes into city coffers. Developers then own the land and develop as they see fit given demand patterns and zoning regs.

    Comment by dave — December 21, 2006 @ 9:43 am

  5. NIMBY, I don’t know if there are any restrictions, but wouldn’t that involve the city (us) putting up the money to buy off the Navy first? The same question would apply to dave, in order to sell the land, wouldn’t we have to have posession of it first, which would involve putting out 108 million. The way the current deal is structured (or at least was structured under APCP) is that they pay all the up front costs.

    Comment by notadave — December 21, 2006 @ 10:24 am

  6. Gosh it would be wonderful to roll back the clock to pre-Measure A times in the 70s and lead up to build out of Bay Farm Island. Alameda’s population was 70,968 and there a proposal to place 10,000 residences on Bay Farm island. 30 years later there are 3500 new residences on Bay Farm and yet Alameda population has only increased to 72,239. Where have all of the people gone on Alameda island?

    Comment by Alameda Joe — December 21, 2006 @ 11:05 am

  7. Hey Joe,

    Comment by D.Kirwin — December 21, 2006 @ 11:16 am

  8. Let me try again – seems hitting enter (not submit) can send a message)
    Hey Joe,
    If your numbers are right we must have bigger new homes with fewer people living in them. As a consumer nation we need more space for all the stuff we don’t really need, and we can’t afford the family size any more.

    Comment by D.Kirwin — December 21, 2006 @ 11:21 am

  9. Families are generally smaller these days, and remember the Nvay Base had a lot people then.

    Comment by dave — December 21, 2006 @ 11:22 am

  10. Here is the source of the population numbers: http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/cities/Alameda70.htm

    Comment by Alameda Joe — December 21, 2006 @ 1:13 pm

  11. For a minute there I thought Dave K was channeling Jimi Hendrix

    Comment by notadave — December 21, 2006 @ 1:40 pm

  12. I wish – I’m trying to learn some chords from my 10 year old son…
    Dave K

    Comment by D.Kirwin — December 21, 2006 @ 4:50 pm

  13. I think we should go back to the way Alameda always was—so if youlive on Bay Farm, South Shore, Marina Village, Crown harbor, Ballena bay, the housing where the drive in used to be, Bayport, coast guard housing, etc. etc. start packing. :)

    Comment by Barbara Kahn — December 21, 2006 @ 4:53 pm

  14. Just want to reference my post about organic growth under the welcome sign topic. Sorry it probably should have been posted here.

    Comment by EJK — December 21, 2006 @ 5:19 pm

  15. Ooh so interesting…

    The thing about Joe’s Bay Farm figures, I’m not sure but wouldn’t 30 years later the gain in population on Bay Farm be offset by a loss of population at the Naval Base? Or do military personnel not count as permanent residents? Just wondering, that seems to make sense. You know they said the average income of an Alamedan grew dramatically after the Navy Base closed. That would have required a drop in the lower income bracket to cause a reduction in average salary, therefore suggesting a drop in population at the point sometime during the late 90’s… or a steady decline.

    The urban/suburban thing is what makes Alameda for me. It’s a little microcosm. When I’m in my little house on a tree-lined street I feel like I’m in a more rural (suburban) neighborhood, but if I head to Park or Webster I suddenly feel more urban like I’m in Downtown, you know, with a capital D? That’s kind of cool about Alameda.

    Comment by EJK — December 21, 2006 @ 5:33 pm

  16. Re #3 and #5. Yes, I know that with the Navy’s change of mind there is now a price for the land but isn’t there an option where the Navy can convey the land at no cost under certain conditions? What are these conditions? I believe it was Tony Daysog who mentioned that during a meeting not long ago, and if I recall correctly it had something to do with the number of housing units. If there is indeed such option, wouldn’t it be helpful to know what it is exactly? I feel that there are still pieces of information missing from the discussion about the Point, and possibilities that are not fully explored because people seem to think that going with a developer package is the only way. Since handing the whole piece of land over to a developer for profit without much control over it is not fully embraced by anybody I know, it might be useful to start thinking outside the box, even if out-of-the-box options do turn out unrealistic on thorough inspection. The major obstacle to managing the Point of course is the cleanup. But if the Navy has committed to cleaning the land before turning it over, then why can’t the city negotiate to buy it paying over time, and recover its infrastructure and other costs from future homeowners and/or various developers of smaller scale projects? Community land trusts also receive money, I’m not sure how much, and they address affordability better than any developer would. A gradual approach would ensure we get more of what works and less of what doesn’t, and we can control the population we house based on how much traffic it generates. I don’t envision any short term profit for the city under this scenario, rather an investment in a community planned in accordance with the need and the physical limitations of Alameda.

    To address Lauren’s topic, it is unrealistic to think that Alameda can or should attempt to address the housing shortage of the Bay Area. This option was taken off the table when the Army Core of Engineers dug the canal that made us into an island. No state or federal money will be wasted on solving the traffic needs of mere 70,000 people by building us another crossing. I am not aware of any politician who can secure funds for another bridge. John Russo, Oakland City Attorney who ran for assembly (and lost) mentioned something about a new crossing in his campaign literature. I emailed him, asking what exactly he means and I got a somewhat evasive answer, something like once I get elected I’ll see what I can do. His website didn’t mention anything about that. Bottom line, it is up to us to develop smartly and not get tricked into overpopulating and destroying our island for pipe dreams, such as housing for everybody.

    Comment by NIMBY — December 21, 2006 @ 7:14 pm

  17. I am not sure what’s going on, I tried to post here twice, and everything just disappears. Anyone seen anything by me appearing twice lately, anywhere?

    Comment by NIMBY — December 21, 2006 @ 7:46 pm

  18. I think it is interesting to note that the Organic Food Industry in whole is having trouble staying organic due to the high demand for Organic Foods. How could a city continue to grow “organically” these days. Organic growth is just a pipe dream.

    Regardless if you are on the pipe or not, wouldn’t Measure A be completely against that idea? Anyone who looks at the world through clear glasses can see what needs to be done as laid out by Lauren’s posts.

    Comment by Ben Kruger — December 22, 2006 @ 6:19 am

  19. Are these the same clear glasses that make Emeryville look clean & inviting?

    Comment by dave — December 22, 2006 @ 7:04 am

  20. Re #3 and #5: Yes, I am aware that with the Navy’s change of mind now there is a cost for the city, but isn’t there an option where the Navy can convey the land at no cost under certain conditions? What are these conditions? I believe it was Tony Daysog who mentioned it during a meeting recently, and if I remember correctly it had something to do with the number of housing units. Isn’t this something we want to know about?

    I feel that there are still pieces of information missing in the discussion about the Point, and possibly options that are not being addressed because of fears we would be abandoned by developers. Since nobody I know fully embraces the idea of handing over the land to a developer for profit without much control over it, why don’t we look out of the box and see if there is a better way? The major hurdle I see is with the cleanup but if the Navy has indeed committed to cleaning the land before handing it over, why can’t the city buy it paying over time, and recover its infrastructure and other costs from future residents and/or developers of smaller scale projects? Community land trusts get some money too, and they guarantee affordable housing better and longer than any developer (good or bad) would. I don’t see any short term profit for the city in this, rather it’s an investment in a community planned in accordance with the need and physical limitations of Alameda.

    To address Lauren’s topic: We can’t and should not attempt to solve the housing crisis of the Bay Area by building ourselves out . Alameda’s fate was pretty much sealed when the Army Core of Engineers dug the canal and made us into an island. No state or federal money will be wasted on a bridge to help mere 70,000 people. I am not aware of any politician who is working to get funds for another crossing. John Russo, Oakland City Attorney who ran for assembly (and lost) mentioned something in his campaign literature about another crossing for Alameda. I emailed him and got a somewhat evasive answer, like, once I’m elected I’ll see what I can do, but no specifics. He did say a tunnel is impossible because of the port and the ships.

    Bottom line, we should not be tricked into overcrowding and destroying what is unique about Alameda by visions of altruistically solving the housing crunch for everybody, or outrunning the supply-demand train which ultimately determines affordability.

    Comment by NIMBY — December 22, 2006 @ 10:00 am

  21. The base employed a lot of civilians that didn’t live on base or even in Alameda. I think the figure was something like 7,000 civilian jobs? I don’t have the figures to back me up– maybe someone has more time to research these things than I do. I clearly remember the traffic jam at the tube every afternoon as the workers left town, and the sheer number of jobs lost still influences people’s thinking as far as what should come to Alameda.

    I have also been told that during WWII Alameda had as many as 110,000 population. This is when many of the former single family homes got cut up into flats to accommodate the extra workers needed at the shipyards. So if you want to talk about need driving development, that is an example. Is it something we would like to repeat? Not me– I would like more planning and preservation of existing single family homes.

    Comment by Kevis — December 22, 2006 @ 10:24 am

  22. While it is not another true Alameda crossing, maybe someone should check to see Sentator Perata if he wants to build the 66th Street extension over to Doolittle Drive. We could even name it after him (just like Ron Cowan Parkway). The Bay Farm residents could drive on Doolittle to get on the freeway. (A short trip to Target in San Leandro.) Think of all cars removed from the East End during commute.

    Besides with the expansion of the Oakland Airport, another exit could be justified (but alas there is no casino)(just kidding).

    Comment by Alameda Joe — December 22, 2006 @ 7:27 pm

  23. Considering the 25 mph speed limit on the island, for those on Bay Farm it probably takes as much time to drive to the future Alameda Landing as it does to drive to one of the San Leandro Targets. For those driving from the Point it may be just as quick to drive to the Berkeley/Albany Target off the Gilman exit of Rt 80, as driving from the point to South Shore. On the other hand, what can you buy at Target that you can’t already buy in Alameda? If you are going to cite 1-stop convenience, blab la blah, you are making the argument that Target will simply shift sales from our present retailers to the “Minneapolis Giant”, thus hurting our present retailers and ultimately reduce the number of retail jobs and the “trickle-thru” of dollars repent on Alameda retail. We don’t need a Target in Alameda, but if we have to have one it should not be in violation of size restrictions in any shopping district.

    Comment by D.Kirwin — December 22, 2006 @ 10:17 pm

  24. I like the sound of Ani’s water and prune organic method, but if you review the history of development as others have done, the idea is just that, an idea. In the market today it’s not going to happen that way.

    I’d ask that she “write and essay” and come up with examples from around the country as DK asked of me on density, but that’s just blowing smoke.

    The Alameda Greens had supported retaining East Housing multiple units, and we talked about reform to Measure A but it never became a front burner issue while I was around. When development discussions occurred and the Lipows were present, Art (who at that time had not yet revealed his rabid attitude about retaining Measure A) would talk about the City becoming it’s own development corporation to keep the profits and not make a developer rich. Also a nice idea.

    In ideal terms, I know this could be done, but I doubt our city could pull it off. Look at the telecom business as an example.

    Comment by Mark — December 23, 2006 @ 10:16 am

  25. Current city leadership couldn’t run a whorehouse on an army base.

    Comment by dave — December 23, 2006 @ 2:42 pm

  26. Happy holidaze

    “The bicycle is the most civilized conveyance known to man. Other forms of transport grow daily more nightmarish. Only the bicycle remains pure in heart.”
    ~Iris Murdoch, writer (1919-1999)

    “Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the future of the human race.”
    ~H.G. Wells

    ”The car has become… an article of dress without which we feel uncertain, unclad, and incomplete.”
    ~Marshall McLuhan, Understanding Media, 1964

    ”The automobile has not merely taken over the street, it has dissolved the living tissue of the city. Its appetite for space is absolutely insatiable; moving and parked, it devours urban land, leaving the buildings as mere islands of habitable space in a sea of dangerous and ugly traffic.”
    ~James Marston Fitch, New York Times, 1 May 1960

    Comment by Mark — December 23, 2006 @ 3:10 pm

  27. Here’s an example of a successful community land trust model, http://www.bclt.net/aboutbclt.shtml

    Note that it includes a mix of multiple and single family housing, which is what we want at the base right? Note that it guarantees perpetual affordability for those who can least afford it—we want that too, correct? Note that it is community-driven—we decide how many units and what they will look like. Note that it is not run for profit but to fill a need.

    If there’s a will, there’s a way. There are many ways to do everything—how we do it is a matter of choice.

    Comment by NIMBY — December 23, 2006 @ 3:31 pm

  28. For a broader overview of community land trusts, here is a what a google search got:

    http://www.policylink.org/EDTK/CLT/default.html

    Comment by Mike McMahon — December 24, 2006 @ 5:34 am

  29. I checked both sites. In principle I’m all in favor of this concept myself, but I wonder what kind of leadership it takes to make stuff like this happen. Reading the list of challenges gives pause, but was pretty interesting.

    I think immediately in the short term Concord and Mare Island are where we should turn our attention for direct comparisons.

    Comment by Mark — December 27, 2006 @ 3:32 pm

  30. The problem with Alameda is that the city is constantly catering to the below average (income, education, etc) population of the island. That is why we keep attracting that sort. I hope that one day, as property values continue to rise, those individuals will be priced out of our neighborhoods and we can have an island to be proud of. The only way to improve our schools and lower crime rates is to continue to change the population of Alameda … it is happening, just not quickly enough for me :-)

    Comment by CH — January 24, 2007 @ 8:27 am

  31. CH-

    You are absolutely right about coddling the lower classes! Let’s gentrify Alameda as fast as possible. Build more prisons too! Lots more.

    Comment by Mark — January 24, 2007 @ 9:17 am

  32. I stagger under the candor of CH’s comment. Demographic replacement is exactly what is happenning in Alameda with every new development, retail or housing—except the people who are doing it are much better at concealing their real motives and couching it in other terms, like “more sales tax” and even “affordable housing” (affordable to who?) Houses at Bayport sell at $800-900K. Will anyone ever build a new family home in Alameda that sells for less then that? I think not. The demographic replacement will happen sooner than CH thinks, and we will lose the fragile equilibrium of diversity and relative affordability (of the rental market and older housing anyway), and of low crime and good schools we now enjoy.

    On a different subject, I’m going to answer my own question posed in #16. The answer was given by David Brandt in the first edition of Alameda Currents. The Navy can convey the land at the Point at no cost, if it is to be used for industry rather than housing. The less housing planned, the less it costs to transfer. If UWI for example convinces the Navy that their plan is to bring research facilities and green manufacturing to the Point and to limit the amount of housing to that needed by employees, the cost for the land could be zero.

    On another subject of this thread, SunCal came very close to proposing what I think is the ideal solution for the Point—build infrastructure, then sell the land to different builders. This could very well be an opportunity for the community to aquire a land trust which would guarantee affordable housing for the sorts who actually need it (sorry, CH).

    Comment by NIMBY — January 24, 2007 @ 9:39 am

  33. “The demographic replacement will happen sooner than CH thinks, and we will lose the fragile equilibrium of diversity and relative affordability (of the rental market and older housing anyway), and of low crime and good schools we now enjoy.”

    I can respect your opposition to demographic replacement … even though I disagree. However your logic is flawed. First, the “relative affordability” of the rental market promotes transient residents with low incomes and only hurts those of us that actually own property on this Island. Second, lower crime and better schools would be a direct byproduct of higher income and better educated individuals moving to the island and becoming permanent residents. 90% of the crime on Alameda occurs in the “rental” neighborhoods.

    If you have an opinion regarding how it is good for the Island’s residents to help low income, uneducated individuals stay in our neighborhoods, I would truly like to hear it. Doing so hurts those of us that own property here, it hurts the schools, it increases the crime rate, and it is a drain on the economy. Accordingly, the benefit must be something more esoteric that I am not seeing.

    Comment by CH — January 24, 2007 @ 9:55 am

  34. While I more or less sympathize with your view, CH, I question your assertion that “90% or crime occurs in rental areas.” I have no doubt it is disproportionate, but have great doubt that your number is accurate or provable.

    Comment by dave — January 24, 2007 @ 12:16 pm


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